Trump Destroys Planned Parenthood

Rob Roy

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no, i don't...i know the difference between government and society...government is one social construct, society is another...they're both tools used to keep things from flying apart...what do you offer as an alternative? nothing, as far as i can see, you want to remove all constraints and all controls, and just let things go on their own....that is called chaos...and is generally not a desired living condition...
and do i really seem that complacent to you Rob? do i really seem that unaware of the world around me? i would like things to change, but i'm not willing to be the figurehead or the martyr of the revolution....you kick it off, and then i'll take over once you get it going.....whether you want me to or not...because your "vision" of the future is fatally flawed, and cannot ever be allowed. you do NOT understand human nature, and apparently never will. so you cannot be allowed to make decisions that impact anyone but yourself....

Government is a tool some people use to control other people, using offensive force as the primary means. That's all it is.

My vision doesn't rely on believing in two opposing things at once, yours does.

You think a system which allows some people to be exempt from responsibility for using offensive force can be the thing which will protect you from people that might use offensive force.

Until you stop believing in things which are impossible, your vision will stumble around... blind.
 

Herb & Suds

Well-Known Member
RELIGION is a tool some people use to control other people, using offensive force as the primary means. That's all it is.

My vision doesn't rely on believing in two opposing things at once, yours does.

You think a system which allows some people to be exempt from responsibility for using offensive force can be the thing which will protect you from people that might use offensive force.

Until you stop believing in things which are impossible, your vision will stumble around... blind.
FIFY
 

hotrodharley

Well-Known Member
Government is a tool some people use to control other people, using offensive force as the primary means. That's all it is.

My vision doesn't rely on believing in two opposing things at once, yours does.

You think a system which allows some people to be exempt from responsibility for using offensive force can be the thing which will protect you from people that might use offensive force.

Until you stop believing in things which are impossible, your vision will stumble around... blind.
All your bullshit and yet you have never said what you would replace "government" with. Because you're just a child mentally. Your emotional development stopped when you entered school. Hence your hangups about penises and your frequent mentioning of them.
 

redivider

Well-Known Member
I hear you baaaing little lambkins, but the real conversation is about whether you or other people make your decisions for you.

Get out of line, sheep.


no it is not. People can choose to go into a Planned Parenthood clinic, they can CHOOSE to pay for an abortion, and they can choose not to do it.

You want to play the hypothetical game while ignoring real consequences of certain policy positions.

What you should be wondering is if your heart is big enough to not care that a clinic provides abortion services to those that want it, while providing other vital healthcare services to women that need it. The REAL (as in actual consequences for real people, not some hypothetical violation in your teeny tiny brain) alternative to having Planned Parenthood is not having a nationwide network of reliable, low cost health care service providers that don't really operate to satiate uncontrolled greed of a handful of rich men.

Conservatives will still get their abortions if they choose to, they can choose not to - but if in the name of political constructs that only really bothers YOU in your brain, you choose to shut a service down that will negatively affect tens of thousands of poor women, then you are not a political intellectual - you are an asshole.
 

schuylaar

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A new Trump administration rule will cut off Planned Parenthood and other health providers that offer abortion services from hundreds of millions of dollars of federal funding.

Under a regulation issued on Friday, no health-care provider that offers abortion services will be eligible for the federal Title X program, which last year offered $286.5 million in grants that funded family-planning services.

Last year, about 4 million low income women used Planned Parenthood's services
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The rule “prohibits the use of Title X funds to perform, promote, refer for, or support abortion as a method of family planning,” according to a fact sheet published by the Department of Health and Human Services.

Planned Parenthood has long been a target for anti-abortion lawmakers and politicians. The nonprofit offers a variety of preventive-health and family-planning services. The group has about 600 affiliated health-care centers used by more than 5 million people a year, according to its website.

The Planned Parenthood Action Fund, the group’s political advocacy arm, said a “gag rule” in the regulation would prevent Planned Parenthood from referring women to health-care providers that perform abortions.

“The administration has put health care providers in the Title X program in an impossible position: withhold information from its patients or get pushed out of the program,” the action fund said in a post on Twitter.

Well, this should work out well seeing as this action will undoubtedly cost the lives of thousands of the most vulnerable women in society (but who really gives a shit in Trump World?),

accidents happen but anyone getting pregnant these days is purposeful.

i say dump the fetuses at 1600 pennsylvania ave..he'll know what to do with them.

eat them, fvck them or maybe even pee on them- that one over there looks like ivanka..so it should be good to go.

'get a loan' -wilbur ross
 

Rob Roy

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An excerpt from The most dangerous Superstition is below. I doubt you can refute any of it....


The Religion of “Government” “Government” is neither a scientific concept nor a rational sociological construct; nor is it a logical, practical method of human organization and cooperation. The belief in “government” is not based on reason; it is based on faith, In truth, the belief in “government” is a religion, made up of a set of dogmatic teachings, irrational doctrines which fly in the face of both evidence and logic, and which are methodically memorized and repeated by the faithful. Like other religions, the gospel of “government” describes a superhuman, supernatural entity, above mere mortals, which issues commandments to the peasantry, for whom unquestioning obedience is a moral imperative, Disobeying to the commandments (“breaking the law”) is viewed as a sin, and the faithful delight in the punishment of the infidels and sinners (“qw21criminals”), while at the same time taking great pride in their own loyalty and humble subservience to their god (as “law-abiding taxpayers”). And while the mortals may humbly beg their lord for favors, and for permission to do certain things, it is considered blasphemous and outrageous for one of the lowly peasants to imagine himself to be fit to decide which of the “government” god’s “laws” he should follow and which it is okay for him to ignore. Their mantra is, “You can work to try to change the law, but as long as it’s the law, we all have to follow it!”

The religious nature of the belief in “authority” is put on display for all to see whenever people solemnly stand, with their hands upon their hearts, and religiously proclaim their undying faith in, and loyalty to, a flag and a “government” (the “republic”). It rarely occurs to those who recite the Pledge of Allegiance, while feeling deep pride, that what
they are actually doing is swearing allegiance to a system of subjugation and authoritarian control. In short, they are promising to do as they are told, and behave as loyal subjects to their masters. Aside from the patently inaccurate phrase at the end about “liberty and justice for ail,” the entire Pledge is about subservience to the “government” which claims to represent the collective, as if that in itself is some great and noble goal, The Pledge, and the mentality and emotions it is intended to stir up, would apply equally well to any tyrannical regime in history.

It is a promise to be obedient and easily controlled, to subordinate oneself to “the republic,” rather than a promise to do the right thing, Many other patriotic rituals and songs, as well as the overtly religious reverence given to two pieces of parchment – the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution – also demonstrate that people do not merely view “government” as a practical necessity: they view it as a god, to be praised and worshiped, honored and obeyed. The main factor distinguishing the belief in “government” from other religions today is that people actually believe in the god called “government,” The other gods people claim to believe in, and the churches they attend, are now, by comparison, little more than empty rituals and half-heartedly parroted superstitions. When it comes to their everyday lives, the god that people actually pray to, to save them from misfortune, to smite their enemies, and to shower them with blessings, is “government.”

It is “government” whose commandments the people most often respect and obey, Whenever a conflict arises between “government” and the teachings of the lesser gods – such as “pay your fair share” (taxation) versus “Thou shalt not steal,” or “duty to country” (military service) versus “Thou shalt not murder”– the commands of “government” supersede all the teachings of the other religions. Politicians, the high priests of the church of “government”– the mouthpieces and representatives of “government,” who deliver the sacred “law” from on high – even openly declare that it is permissible for the people to practice whatever religion they wish, as long as they do not run afoul of the supreme religion by disobeying “the law”– meaning the dictates of the god called “government.”
 

Rob Roy

Well-Known Member
no it is not. People can choose to go into a Planned Parenthood clinic, they can CHOOSE to pay for an abortion, and they can choose not to do it.

You want to play the hypothetical game while ignoring real consequences of certain policy positions.

What you should be wondering is if your heart is big enough to not care that a clinic provides abortion services to those that want it, while providing other vital healthcare services to women that need it. The REAL (as in actual consequences for real people, not some hypothetical violation in your teeny tiny brain) alternative to having Planned Parenthood is not having a nationwide network of reliable, low cost health care service providers that don't really operate to satiate uncontrolled greed of a handful of rich men.

Conservatives will still get their abortions if they choose to, they can choose not to - but if in the name of political constructs that only really bothers YOU in your brain, you choose to shut a service down that will negatively affect tens of thousands of poor women, then you are not a political intellectual - you are an asshole.
You seem upset. You're not going to start wanting to use guns to force people to comply with your ideas are you so everybody will see "how big your heart is" ?

Also, where did you get your Economics degree? Walmart?
 

Rob Roy

Well-Known Member
It's well fortified with your past posts as overwhelming evidence.
In between challenging what little intellect the likes of you have, I do post inane, yet entertaining buffoonery. It's meant to hold the attention of people of like you when there are no shiny objects around.


 

Roger A. Shrubber

Well-Known Member
Government is a tool some people use to control other people, using offensive force as the primary means. That's all it is.

My vision doesn't rely on believing in two opposing things at once, yours does.

You think a system which allows some people to be exempt from responsibility for using offensive force can be the thing which will protect you from people that might use offensive force.

Until you stop believing in things which are impossible, your vision will stumble around... blind.
and you think that if you remove the outside controls that society and government supply, people will behave themselves and respect each other. that is not true, it never has been, and it will be a long time before it ever is...how do you propose keeping everyone safe in a non-society with no authority except your own conscience? how do you intend to stop people from raping, killing, stealing?....just because they want to, and there's no one to stop them?....which one of us is stumbling blindly?
you continually harp about "choice" and who is making them...and yet you don't care that the vast majority has chosen to keep the system we have. their choices are somehow invalid, because you don't like them. if choice is so important to you, why don't you respect the choices others have made?
you want to force your version of "the way it should be" on everyone else...which removes EVERYONE'S choices, except yours....so you're a hypocrite, whether intentionally, or not.....are you also a despot? will you doom the weak and pacifistic to death in your "utopia of free choice" ? were they supposed to "choose" to live in fear and despair, in slavery, because you didn't want a central government in place to protect them?
 
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tangerinegreen555

Well-Known Member
An excerpt from The most dangerous Superstition is below. I doubt you can refute any of it....


The Religion of “Government” “Government” is neither a scientific concept nor a rational sociological construct; nor is it a logical, practical method of human organization and cooperation. The belief in “government” is not based on reason; it is based on faith, In truth, the belief in “government” is a religion, made up of a set of dogmatic teachings, irrational doctrines which fly in the face of both evidence and logic, and which are methodically memorized and repeated by the faithful. Like other religions, the gospel of “government” describes a superhuman, supernatural entity, above mere mortals, which issues commandments to the peasantry, for whom unquestioning obedience is a moral imperative, Disobeying to the commandments (“breaking the law”) is viewed as a sin, and the faithful delight in the punishment of the infidels and sinners (“qw21criminals”), while at the same time taking great pride in their own loyalty and humble subservience to their god (as “law-abiding taxpayers”). And while the mortals may humbly beg their lord for favors, and for permission to do certain things, it is considered blasphemous and outrageous for one of the lowly peasants to imagine himself to be fit to decide which of the “government” god’s “laws” he should follow and which it is okay for him to ignore. Their mantra is, “You can work to try to change the law, but as long as it’s the law, we all have to follow it!”

The religious nature of the belief in “authority” is put on display for all to see whenever people solemnly stand, with their hands upon their hearts, and religiously proclaim their undying faith in, and loyalty to, a flag and a “government” (the “republic”). It rarely occurs to those who recite the Pledge of Allegiance, while feeling deep pride, that what
they are actually doing is swearing allegiance to a system of subjugation and authoritarian control. In short, they are promising to do as they are told, and behave as loyal subjects to their masters. Aside from the patently inaccurate phrase at the end about “liberty and justice for ail,” the entire Pledge is about subservience to the “government” which claims to represent the collective, as if that in itself is some great and noble goal, The Pledge, and the mentality and emotions it is intended to stir up, would apply equally well to any tyrannical regime in history.

It is a promise to be obedient and easily controlled, to subordinate oneself to “the republic,” rather than a promise to do the right thing, Many other patriotic rituals and songs, as well as the overtly religious reverence given to two pieces of parchment – the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution – also demonstrate that people do not merely view “government” as a practical necessity: they view it as a god, to be praised and worshiped, honored and obeyed. The main factor distinguishing the belief in “government” from other religions today is that people actually believe in the god called “government,” The other gods people claim to believe in, and the churches they attend, are now, by comparison, little more than empty rituals and half-heartedly parroted superstitions. When it comes to their everyday lives, the god that people actually pray to, to save them from misfortune, to smite their enemies, and to shower them with blessings, is “government.”

It is “government” whose commandments the people most often respect and obey, Whenever a conflict arises between “government” and the teachings of the lesser gods – such as “pay your fair share” (taxation) versus “Thou shalt not steal,” or “duty to country” (military service) versus “Thou shalt not murder”– the commands of “government” supersede all the teachings of the other religions. Politicians, the high priests of the church of “government”– the mouthpieces and representatives of “government,” who deliver the sacred “law” from on high – even openly declare that it is permissible for the people to practice whatever religion they wish, as long as they do not run afoul of the supreme religion by disobeying “the law”– meaning the dictates of the god called “government.”
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Rob Roy

Well-Known Member
You would have been fragged. Guaranteed.
and you think that if you remove the outside controls that society and government supply, people will behave themselves and respect each other. that is not true, it never has been, and it will be a long time before it ever is...how do you propose keeping everyone safe in a non-society with no authority except your own conscience? how do you intend to stop people from raping, killing, stealing?....just because they want to, and there's no one to stop them?....which one of us is stumbling blindly?
you continually harp about "choice" and who is making them...and yet you don't care that the vast majority has chosen to keep the system we have. their choices are somehow invalid, because you don't like them. if choice is so important to you, why don't you respect the choices others have made?
you want to force your version of "the way it should be" on everyone else...which removes EVERYONE'S choices, except yours....so you're a hypocrite, whether intentionally, or not.....are you also a despot? will you doom the weak and pacifistic to death in your "utopia of free choice" ? were they supposed to "choose" to live in fear and despair, in slavery, because you didn't want a central government in place to protect them?
Your first line is an erroneous assumption based in a false dichotomy.

Since government operates outside of the principles that you want it to hold other people to, (it isn't peaceful) it is self evident that it can't possibly be the thing that will ensure peace as the goal.

It's very existence, (coercion based) ensures that peace ISN'T possible. You've confused imposed order and peace, a common mistake, but when magnified it becomes the thing which prevents other possibilities from occurring.

Your other faulty assumption, without a single coercive authority, there would be no other ways to arbitrate disputes, is a common error too.

No, I don't want to force my way on others. You appear to be suffering from a collectivist frame of mind. Dude...do you even Panarchy?
 

schuylaar

Well-Known Member
no it is not. People can choose to go into a Planned Parenthood clinic, they can CHOOSE to pay for an abortion, and they can choose not to do it.

You want to play the hypothetical game while ignoring real consequences of certain policy positions.

What you should be wondering is if your heart is big enough to not care that a clinic provides abortion services to those that want it, while providing other vital healthcare services to women that need it. The REAL (as in actual consequences for real people, not some hypothetical violation in your teeny tiny brain) alternative to having Planned Parenthood is not having a nationwide network of reliable, low cost health care service providers that don't really operate to satiate uncontrolled greed of a handful of rich men.

Conservatives will still get their abortions if they choose to, they can choose not to - but if in the name of political constructs that only really bothers YOU in your brain, you choose to shut a service down that will negatively affect tens of thousands of poor women, then you are not a political intellectual - you are an asshole.
men all you have to do is have your girlfriend call their gynecologist- chances are that's what their saturday 'office hours' are all about.

everyone does abortions. everyone- you don't need planned parenthood.
 

Jimdamick

Well-Known Member
accidents happen but anyone getting pregnant these days is purposeful.
That's a pretty fucking stupid statement.
There wasn't anything purposeful about my being involved with 2 unwanted pregnancies.
One resulted in an abortion whereas my partner and I had no hope of sustaining another life in our situation, it would have destroyed all of us at that time.
The 2nd unwanted one resulted in the birth of my son, Emmet, but my wife and I were economically and mentally capable of supporting him, and we did.
Purposeful pregnancies?
Yea, sure.
 
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