Missouri Patients

[Mogro]

Missouri just posted its draft rules. We have to give up our 4th amendment rights to be free from illegal search and seizure to be able to cultivate our own. Here is the text from Revocation part G:
G. If a patient cultivation identification card holder fails to immediately make available access to his or her patient cultivation facility upon request from the department, the patient cultivation identification card will be revoked;
Do they do this in other states. I am pissed. We shouldn't give up our 4th amendment rights.
I do not want to invite government agents into my house. I shouldn't have to.
If they suspect me of committing a crime, have reasonable cause to and have a search warrant signed by a judge. Then I will invite them in. If not hell no.
I'm sure they could catch a lot of law breakers if they just went into every bodies house everyday for inspections. But this is a slippery slope. I would rather them catch the criminals without violating our rights. I think revolutions have been fought over this kind of stuff.
Are they getting away with this in other states.

 

[Bodyne]

OK no, most other states yes. What you didn't notice today was the representative from Salem, Jeff Pogue, bring meeting to the floor of the legislature to denut the grow your own part of Amendment 2. They've alreaedy denutted the dark lobby money amendment the voters passed aka Amendment 1. I gave his number and addy at the capitol on FB today for NORML and told everyone to bombard that dickhead with calls and emails. We'll see what happens. MO did this same thing 10 yrs ago, passed a puppy mill law that was hard, then the legislators got hold of it, took all the teeth out, and guess what, 10 yrs later, puppy mill capital of the country.

For the record, its registered guns. If you already own, just find a place to hide em if no paperwork. What they are doing is saying that once you get your card, you can't go buy a gun legally, but this backwards state, that is the only state in country that doesn't have a database set up for patients of opiates for the pharmacies and drs. Doctor shopping heaven, and they try to say its a privacy thing, lmfao. jmho

The one thing you have to remember is to keep a lock on the door where you grow, so kids and nobody can get in, can't grow outside, the way I read it. When they show up if they do, be within your numbers, I'd let em in gladly, Ive already gotten the dr letter, but get it reissued 30 days prior to application. And that they don't have near enough people to check your place out as an individual cultivator, compared to caregivers. But yea, in OR it was the same, they show up, they get to see the setup and always the main thing was numbers and those locks.

Also, ya bout had to have a complaint against ya for em to show up to check, there just isn't enough folks compared to the folks self growing.

 

[Mogro]

OK no, most other states yes. What you didn't notice today was the representative from Salem, Jeff Pogue, bring meeting to the floor of the legislature to denut the grow your own part of Amendment 2. They've alreaedy denutted the dark lobby money amendment the voters passed aka Amendment 1. I gave his number and addy at the capitol on FB today for NORML and told everyone to bombard that dickhead with calls and emails. We'll see what happens. MO did this same thing 10 yrs ago, passed a puppy mill law that was hard, then the legislators got hold of it, took all the teeth out, and guess what, 10 yrs later, puppy mill capital of the country.

For the record, its registered guns. If you already own, just find a place to hide em if no paperwork. What they are doing is saying that once you get your card, you can't go buy a gun legally, but this backwards state, that is the only state in country that doesn't have a database set up for patients of opiates for the pharmacies and drs. Doctor shopping heaven, and they try to say its a privacy thing, lmfao. jmho

 

[Mogro]

Yes. I was awar

OK no, most other states yes. What you didn't notice today was the representative from Salem, Jeff Pogue, bring meeting to the floor of the legislature to denut the grow your own part of Amendment 2. They've alreaedy denutted the dark lobby money amendment the voters passed aka Amendment 1. I gave his number and addy at the capitol on FB today for NORML and told everyone to bombard that dickhead with calls and emails. We'll see what happens. MO did this same thing 10 yrs ago, passed a puppy mill law that was hard, then the legislators got hold of it, took all the teeth out, and guess what, 10 yrs later, puppy mill capital of the country.

For the record, its registered guns. If you already own, just find a place to hide em if no paperwork. What they are doing is saying that once you get your card, you can't go buy a gun legally, but this backwards state, that is the only state in country that doesn't have a database set up for patients of opiates for the pharmacies and drs. Doctor shopping heaven, and they try to say its a privacy thing, lmfao. jmho

I am aware of the second amendment. The right to bare arms. I'm talking they want permission to come in your house and inspect your grow room. The 4th amendment. The right to be free from illegal search and seizure.

 

[Bodyne]

Dude, state constitution, not federal. lol It ain't legal federally. I am talking state constitutional amendments passed by the voters of the state. Why I added the gun rules and the lock rules to the growspot to my post. Don't get excited, there are ways around, they ain't takin guns, lol, you just can't buy any legit after receiving your card and I have my doubts that they can even funnel the two databases together, they are just now doing the rules. You did see its only six small one and six flowering too, right? there for a minute, there was no limit on small ones, lol. Why I been poppin 20 at a time till I read that, now I'll finish this round and go to bigger containers and do packs at a time instead of huge variety.

 

[Mogro]

Dude, state constitution, not federal. lol It ain't legal federally. I am talking state constitutional amendments passed by the voters of the state. Why I added the gun rules and the lock rules to the growspot to my post. Don't get excited, there are ways around, they ain't takin guns, lol, you just can't buy any legit after receiving your card and I have my doubts that they can even funnel the two databases together, they are just now doing the rules. You did see its only six small one and six flowering too, right? there for a minute, there was no limit on small ones, lol. Why I been poppin 20 at a time till I read that, now I'll finish this round and go to bigger containers and do packs at a time instead of huge variety.

Missouri has its own constitution. And searches without warrants are not allowed. I'm not talking about guns at all. I don't want them in my house.
I'm aware of the gun issue. They are going to need a metal detector and a bachoe to take all my guns. I am talking about not letting them come inspect anything in my house. And then they will revoke my grow license.

 

[Bodyne]

Jesus, dude, did you even read the rules.?Part of having the card is letting them do the searches, you don't let em come in and make sure you ain't cash croppin, for fucks sake yes they will take your cultivation card. It'll be on the application that thats the rules. you are confused. Its a STATE MMJ card, not a FED legalization card. What Im saying is I doubt you have to worry bout it, from what i hear, everyone that knew how to grow, went to growing for themselves, as they know the state don't have enough people to check everyone with a card. Or without. They already are trying to pass the 100 gram deal statewide, make it like paying a traffic ticket without card, you get 1/4 lb with card.

 

[Mogro]

Yes, I read the rules that's why I'm pissed. I guess I look at rights differently then you. I guess I should feel lucky they left me:
Amendment 1 - Glad that I can still speak my mind. Or have a free press.
Amendment 7- At least they cant lock me up for years without a trial.

I'm sorry you don't agree. But I don't give my rights up just because they ask me to.

Hell why stop at cash cropping. They could solve a lot of Rapes, Burglaries, Money laundering, (Insert any act) if we would just allow them to come inspect whoever they wanted whenever they wanted.

Probable cause is the problem.
We wouldn't have gotten this far with cannibas if they didn't need a search warrant for anything.
If they have reason to believe I'm cash cropping get a fucking warrant and bust me.
If not I am innocent until proven guilty.

 

[Bodyne]

US Constitutional Amendments
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_amendments_to_the_United_States_Constitution

MO Constitutional Amendments
https://www.sos.mo.gov/elections/petitions/2018BallotMeasures

you are confusing straight legalization to medical marijuana and you are confusing the two different constitutions and their amendments. You keep mentioning the US amendments, lol, not the MO state amendments.

To get the MO MMJ card, you'll have to sign off on it, or you get no card. so then you can be a cash cropper, it almost sounds like that's what you're after anyway. Please educate yourself on the differences of these and learn the MO state one.

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[Mogro]

I might beconfused about medical and recreational.
I am not interested in selling. I make enough that I don’t have to. I do have a qualifying condition.
The still doesn’t give them the right to come in my house. They only have that right to do that if they have reasonable cause that you might have committed a crime.

I am not talking about the feds but the state. The one that has a constitution (missouri) that says they can’t search without a warrant.
Missouri is now giving me a right that the citizens of Missouri mandated in a constitutional amendment that says I can grow cannibas for myself only. But the catch is I have to give up my right to be free of illegal searches.


This is from the Missouri constitution
Article I
BILL OF RIGHTS
Section 15November 14, 2016

Unreasonable search and seizure prohibited--contents and basis of warrants.
Section 15. That the people shall be secure in their persons, papers, homes, effects, and electronic communications and data, from unreasonable searches and seizures; and no warrant to search any place, or seize any person or thing, or access electronic data or communication, shall issue without describing the place to be searched, or the person or thing to be seized, or the data or communication to be accessed, as nearly as may be; nor without probable cause, supported by written oath or affirmation.

Source: Const. of 1875, Art. II, § 11.

 

[Mogro]

Here is the argument.
We the citizens of Missouri voted to pass amendment 2. That has some rules the state has to abide by. It also gives the health dept the responsibility of implementing this and some rule making.
The Amendment 2 doesn’t say anything about home inspections. The health department added this in the rules.
You cannot administratively (that is what the health dept rules are) deny us of our constitutional rights.

Yep I won’t give up my right to be free of illegal searches. I don’t want to grow if I lose that right. I will wait until somebody sues the health dept all the way up to the Missouri Supreme Court.

My question is do they do this in other states were you grow for yourself. Not to sell to dispensaries. Come in your house and inspect your grow tent or grow room in the basement.

 

[Schwagg#12]

I think Oregon does or did.

 

[Bodyne]

I think Oregon does or did.

they did, but they also dropped the medical numbers and weight since it went rec there.

 

[Mogro]

They suck.
Maybe someday when they win the war on cannibas and wipe out the black market I will have to buy from dispensaries.

They just don’t get it.

 

[Bodyne]

the language in amendment 2 for MO mmj states, Section 3, paragraph 2d: requirements for inspections, investigations, searches, seizures, and other additional enforcement activities as they arise from time to time.

Read section 2 of the amenment language, all of it. The dept can come up with any rules or emergency rules basically as they see fit. Lot better than it used to be, St Lou and KC dropping all weed cases, trying to get the law where its basically a small misdemeanor for up to 100 grams statewide, thats just shy of the 1/4 poss limit, but it also reads you actually can have up to 8 ozs. That 100 gram thing is for everyone, the 8 oz is for mmj patients

 

[Stiickygreen]

If you think the po-po/etc. is just gonna stop by for a look-see because you have a med card...I doubt that in a big, big way. None of us pay those kinda taxes needed for such home-to-home policing.

However...never say never.

IF "shit happens" and the cops come for >whatever< reason to your home/neighbor's home/close proximity and smell weed/detect anything associated with weed....and then ask WTF? is the deal.....and you produce a card/cards to cover your ass for smell/possession/etc....you can bet they can ask to take a look. If you are in count.....(this happened to us in 2006 in CO) you say "Yes".

If you are cropping and hiding under the guise of med and speeding on counts...you say "NO"...and then they wait for the warrant and bust you like anyone else outside the law. We had teenagers @ the time and unrelated circumstances caused a chain of events to happen that ended up culminating with 3 cops on our doorstep. We cooperated from the get-go and i let them in w/o a warrant. I had 2 gardens...one on a small GH on my back deck...and one in the garage. They wanted to see the GH on the deck.....so that is where I led them. They didn't try/ask to look anywhere else in the house.... and good thing...cus i had about 30 large plants in bloom in the garage. I knew if i didn't cooperate/let them in they would come back storming in hard and I'd have NO control over an of it. By cooperating fully/not being a dick/standing on my rights because it was med...they eased way up and we had no further issues....that day...or going forward.....even though they knew (now) that my house was a "grow house" in a small town. LOL. The Sheriff lived on my street!

Your best bet is to stay in counts. Grow bigger plants if need be. Go HUGE. Make it a game because it is a game. Treat it as if it is totally illegal. No talk of it. No display of it. No smell of it.

good luck

 

[Bodyne]

Missouri's card-carrying Qualifying Patients and Caregivers will be allowed to grow medicinal marijuana at home, with some restrictions. Amendment 2 allows a patient or caregiver with an DHSS issued Qualifying Patient Cultivation identification card to grow up to six plants in a “appropriately secured facility.” According to amendment language this secured facility is defined as a locked and enclosed area that ONLY the Qualifying Patient or primary caregiver can enter. Section 1, Part 7, Paragraph 9. John Payne of New Approach Missouri, said the facility needs to be covered and locked, adding that a greenhouse could be a suitable facility as long as it is covered and has a reliable lock. Qualifying Patient Cultivation ID cards cost $100 and must be renewed each year.

Two Qualifying Patients with cultivation ID cards can grow up to 12 plants in the same facility. If a third person is a Primary Caregiver who also has a Qualifying Patient ID card, they can also grow on the same property allowing up to 18 medicinal marijuana plants in one place.

 

[Bodyne]

so you can grow outside in a secure greenhouse with a roof. I previously stated incorrectly you couldn't, my bad, But I do note now that if you are a qualifying patient and caregiver for 2 patients, then you get the 18 flowering 18 lil ones max and the appropriate weight which by my count would be 3/4 lb to 24 oz.

 

[Stiickygreen]

Not that growing outside there in a GH in Summer in 95% humidity and 95F temps would be all that easy...but yeah....it's good you can try.

Just wait til July 15th...slap them 6" clones outside in the fence row.....and they will finish small enough you can't even see em among the poison ivy and other various jungle growth there...LOL.

 

[Bodyne]

Not that growing outside there in a GH in Summer in 95% humidity and 95F temps would be all that easy...but yeah....it's good you can try.

Just wait til July 15th...slap them 6" clones outside in the fence row.....and they will finish small enough you can't even see em among the poison ivy and other various jungle growth there...LOL.

might have to renovate a turkey or pig farm, lol. They got those big fans to keep animals cool in summer, free fertilizer, lol