Airwalker16
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Thank you for the info man!Mango Sapphire by Humboldt Seeds the phenotype I have is done in 49 days. I also use QBs but no far red.
Thank you for the info man!Mango Sapphire by Humboldt Seeds the phenotype I have is done in 49 days. I also use QBs but no far red.
I don't know why you think they're starving. They're not. They're flushing. The buds that are white and whispy do not get big. Ever. This is my third time running it and it's getting shit canned cause it hasn't gotten any better.Dude I'm not shit talking. Just trying to help you understand plant biology better. Starving your plants that much means you are not getting your full potential from the genetics.
People trying to help you makes it garbage?Sweet. Y'all can just keep shit talking my garden. I don't care.
This thread turned into garbage.
This has really shed some light on things.Now for my experience I've only used LED.
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My tricks are all milky on the ghost train.Weve had this aswell, early senesence and fall colors. Dont think it had to do with feeding as much as massive amounts of light. They were under 2000 diodes run at nominal but the whole fixture was real close. The rest of the grow with similar lighting in watts per area never did this. Only the plants that were absolutely covered in light with real low hanging height. We took all trays to 11 weeks even if we had fading on these trays, the final swell doesnt happen til late in our amnesia.
What everybody has failed to mention is what criteria they use for saying finished. This discussion is a bit pointless without that. Fading, final swelling or ambering tricomes. They dont all come att the same time always. What do people use for criteria?
Those things don't happen at the same time, but they do typically happen in a pretty standard order of events. People judging harvest time off one criteria is over simplification. The whole plant needs to get looked at. Stigma turning red and receeding is usually one of the first signs, but does not mean the plant is done. It means it is nearing the end of that part of its growth.What everybody has failed to mention is what criteria they use for saying finished. This discussion is a bit pointless without that. Fading, final swelling or ambering tricomes. They dont all come att the same time always. What do people use for criteria?
Dude, imagine if we got our hands on that? Would it finish in 35 days with far red?Even if you don't use LEDs, you always hear of these miracle "45 day strains" that seem a bit far fetched
The last is incorrect way to monitor the flower stage. When you start to flower that same day the hormones that initiate flower are starting to redistribute in the plant.Is that 50 days from flip or 50 days from onset of flower?
Wrong. Flowering time begins when flowers start to form.Dude, imagine if we got our hands on that? Would it finish in 35 days with far red?
The last is incorrect way to monitor the flower stage. When you start to flower that same day the hormones that initiate flower are starting to redistribute in the plant.
That's pointless to say is correct or incorrect. It's best to simply accept that roughly half the members here judge it one way or the other and be able to talk with both groups and understand what they mean.Dude, imagine if we got our hands on that? Would it finish in 35 days with far red?
The last is incorrect way to monitor the flower stage. When you start to flower that same day the hormones that initiate flower are starting to redistribute in the plant.
Thats a response to flower initiaton aka 12/12 etc. Google it. As soon as you put them in the flowering light cycle those plants start the bloom phase. Its simple botany. Too many forum paradigms on here man. Stick to sound gardening, what a good grower on here taught me.The plant goes through a "transition phase" between veg and flowering.
If you dont know when the sunlight hours have been reduced (unless you check how many hours of light there is in youre area at a given time) then I could see that people would say "ok its flowering so this is week one." It was flowering well before that.If you were growing outside, you wouldn't say it was flowering until it began to show flowers....
Thats the exact definition of stunted growth.This winter we had a bad cold snap, and my heater couldn't cut it. My room got down into the 50s for a few weeks. It made my clones take over 3 weeks to transition, and slowed their flowering. It didn't stunt them
Totally agree on that.If you want to count time, go for it, but the plants won't finish until they are actually done. The number of weeks a breeder lists is totally irrelevant most of the time.
Another forum paradigm.But counting from 12/12 flip is just that its time from flip, not flowering time. FLowering time begins when the plants are flowering
Thats a response to flower initiaton aka 12/12 etc. Google it. As soon as you put them in the flowering light cycle those plants start the bloom phase. Its simple botany. Too many forum paradigms on here man. Stick to sound gardening, what a good grower on here taught me.
Lol I am sticking to sound gardening and actual botany bud, rather then guesstimates based on arbitrary numbers. Switching the lights doesn't make them instantly begin to flower. It allows the flowering hormone to START to build up in the plant. It takes an indefinable amount of time for that to happen depending on your plants and environment. If you interrupt that process soon enough it stops before the plant starts to actually flower.
If you put a seedling directly under 12/12 lighting it doesn't instantly start to flower. It takes weeks for the plant to reach genetic maturity THEN it starts to flower.
If you dont know when the sunlight hours have been reduced (unless you check how many hours of light there is in youre area at a given time) then I could see that people would say "ok its flowering so this is week one." It was flowering well before that.
Unfortunately no that's not the case because different genetics and environments will change when that initiation begins. So it's not just "oh cool there is "x" amount of light or dark hours now its instantly flowering." You can't accurately judge when a plant has began to flower by anything other then when it actually shows flowers.
Thats the exact definition of stunted growth.
It was not really stunned though, it was merely slowed down. The plants flowered to nearly their full potential still. They yielded good dense frosty nugs , it just took much longer for that to happen. My understanding of the term stunting is that it would imply a sub par yield, quality, or overall plant size and growth. Which I had none of, the plants just moved slowly along their genetics timeline.
Another forum paradigm.
This info never came from the forum, or from another grower specifically. This is from spending YEARS growing thousands of plants and reading lots of research on both cannabis growth and other plant growth. Nothing I said is actually debatable because it's backed by science. the things you are supporting are the "forum paradigms". You can not accurately determine flower length from an arbitrary number.
Thats a response to flower initiaton aka 12/12 etc. Google it. As soon as you put them in the flowering light cycle those plants start the bloom phase. Its simple botany. Too many forum paradigms on here man. Stick to sound gardening, what a good grower on here taught me.
I recently took clones off a two week flowering plant. I knew that it would take awhile for these cuts to revert the hormones back to veg under a 24/0 schedule to initiate root production. It does take awhile.for sure. if you cut clones from thinned bottom branches that had any more than a few 12/12 cycles, even if they dont look like they are flowering you set the hormones in motion and they will flower while rooting
Yet that's called re vegging. At two weeks from 12/12 that plant should have been actually flowering or very close. So yes it would have to transition back I veg state which can be tough.I recently took clones off a two week flowering plant. I knew that it would take awhile for these cuts to revert the hormones back to veg under a 24/0 schedule to initiate root production. It does take awhile.
Many times I've taken plants into 12/12 for a few days(4-6)to encourage sexing and a little stretch, and then back into veg to clone them. Unless the plant had actually began to form flowers it never had any delay in going back to veg or had the clones try to flower.for sure. if you cut clones from thinned bottom branches that had any more than a few 12/12 cycles, even if they dont look like they are flowering you set the hormones in motion and they will flower while rooting
Wrong.Wrong. Flowering time begins when flowers start to form.
Look into the biology of plant growth phases. The plant goes through a "transition phase" between veg and flowering. Often times in science this is called the 'preflower stage", not to be confused with early signs of sex in veg which are called "preflowers". Flowering does not begin until flowers start to form.
The ONLY people I've ever seen say that flowering begins at 12/12 flip are some indoor pot growers. Pretty much everyone else understands that it takes time for the plant to actually begin to flower. If you were growing outside, you wouldn't say it was flowering until it began to show flowers.... Well indoor is not different in that regard.
Just because you can physically change the light schedule doesn't actually make you a god over your plants. They will still take however much time they need to actually start flowering. It all depends on the genetics and the environment. Most mature plants only take 7-10 days to transition into flower. HOWEVER some take much longer and if the genetics aren't actually mature before you switch them or the environment isn't ideal, then it can take weeks for them to transition. So counting from 12/12 flip is a totally arbitrary number that doesn't show an accurate length of time for the plant to mature. If you count from when the flowers form until whatever time the plant is finally done it gives the most accurate idea of the way the genetics will grow and mature.
This winter we had a bad cold snap, and my heater couldn't cut it. My room got down into the 50s for a few weeks. It made my clones take over 3 weeks to transition, and slowed their flowering. It didn't stunt them, I just harvested them, and they are dank, and have nice dense nugs. BUT they took an extra month of 12/12 time over any other time I've ran these clones(I've had this phenotype for over 4 years).
If you want to count time, go for it, but the plants won't finish until they are actually done. The number of weeks a breeder lists is totally irrelevant most of the time. If you are going to count time I don't really care when you count from either. But counting from 12/12 flip is just that its time from flip, not flowering time. FLowering time begins when the plants are flowering .