Aussieaceae
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That'll be soon, don't worry. Maybe he's waiting until after Brexit?
Don't fk with China, you'll lose
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greencropper
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imo if there was/is a legitimate reason for this 'War' to begin, then yes Australia should side with the US, if the reason a war started for are lame or weak, then of course discretion should be used, what bad things may happen if we did not help US in a 'legimate' miliary action? ...well you know the deal by now don't you? you scratch my back...in other words how could Australia expect military support if needed from the US at a later date?
Aussieaceae
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I think you're taking this thread a little out of context tbh.
Given current relationships Australia has, Australia doesn't have to get involved. Imo it would have many negative impacts taking either side.
Also i can't see Trump "punishing" Australia for not giving him it's full support.
greencropper
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lol i can see Trump doing almost everything stupidly, regardless im looking at the long game, as it is the reality of Australia's military is its pretty weak, imo we still need a friend with a really big stick, until our population gets large enough to support a large military we are gonna need that big stick friend
Lucky Luke
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Back to Indonesia for a second. Indonesia could not win a war with the Commonwealth, especially in the fkn 80s... Nuclear alliance vs a country trying to feed itself, a country we give a shit load of money to in aid every year. Indonesian solders are poorly equipped and poorly trained- as we saw in East Timor. Did we even loose a solder over there?
Australia should never expect military support from anyone except the Commonwealth. Sure the US Alliance is wonderful but you should never presume a country will come to our aide- it may not be politically beneficial for them. Im sure most aussie would assume that most of Europe would flock to help us due to some perceived debts that are owed but the reality might be completely different.
Also the world is changing large countries are no longer as economically viable as they once were, in the modern age smaller more densely packed countries are easier and more profitable to run per head of population. We see this with the recent disasters in the US which they are struggling to fix, we see it with the NBN rollout right here in Australia. Smaller countries now have the economic edge.
China have expressed no interest in invading us, sure they are spreading their economic and military strength in the area but that's normal. It is called Australasia for a reason and it could well be argued its due to the rhetric of the last decade coming from America. America does not want to go to number two economically and may do silly things to see it doesn't happen as it would probably be the start of the slide that every super power has ever had. It would bust the myth of the American dream.
Should we get involved if America and China go toe to toe? IDK They have both been fantastic partners of ours. Its a war that no matter what side we choose would mean possible devastation and depression. Its probably a war China couldn't win but its also a war that America couldn't finish. Modern wars don't seem to have a clear cut ending. I think even discussing the prospect of war limits the outcome that most of the worlds population desire- Peace, clean water, food and health.
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TacoMac
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Then you know exactly fuckall about the Australian military.
Australia has one of the finest trained, best equipped militaries on the planet.
It's nowhere near the largest, but it's more than capable of handling itself without bowing down to the U.S. begging for help.
In fact, it is quite often the U.S. that requests the aid of Australia, not the other way around.
With both parties of Congress completely in the dark about this new, non existent threat nobody knows about, rest assured Australia will not lift a finger to do the bidding of that fucking moron of a president Trump.
And this is coming from an American.
greencropper
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i never said Australia's military were badly trained, we just do not have the numbers, & i can tell you that Australia during the 1970's & 80's could easily have been overun by Indonesia's superior military at that time, you obviously have no data about Australia during that era, just eat another taco mac
Lucky Luke
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Bull shit.
Australia had a very experienced and streamlined force in the 70s and 80s. Vietnam insured that.
And you keep missing the big point. The other big stick- The Commonwealth.
Lucky Luke
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Any of our Neighbours could easily land a force here. It would then be cut off by the Navy and air force of the Commonwealth a week or so later. (just our small Navy and airforce would mean re-supply would be close to non-existent whilst the fleets would be in transit) The invading army would die a slow death in the desert or the jungles of the tropical Far North. You cannot win a war without a supply line.
if America decided to help us then they would get death by above from a million bombs.
Big and vast is a natural defence- see Russia.
if America decided to help us then they would get death by above from a million bombs.
Big and vast is a natural defence- see Russia.
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doublejj
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The Aussies I served with in Vietnam were savage jungle fighters and once they engaged with the enemy would chase and pursue them relentlessly. Maybe it was their lack of artillery and air support that forced them to remain in contact and pursue instead of forming a defensive perimeter and calling in the artillery or bombers like the we did. The VC were weary of engaging the guys with the slouch hats....
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Fogdog
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How many are dead? Where did they attack? Was Sydney nuked?
LOL, you are nuts. Nuclear powers aren't going to fight conventional wars. You must be tired. Go to sleep.
greencropper
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i never once stated there was a 'hot war', you are the one tripping dude...remember it's always better to wean off than cold turkey
Fogdog
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Fantasizing about one? Masturbate to it much?
Fogdog
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A province of France, I think.
greencropper
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goodluck with your detox!
Don_Sequitor
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So...
Did y'all hear about that college admissions scandal?
Did y'all hear about that college admissions scandal?
hotrodharley
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Australia is not under any obligation to the USA. Zero. Do they still call us “soddies” down there?
abandonconflict
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China would love to see the US military engaged in another quagmire so that they fight another proxy war against us. It's the only war that they can win so they would love to see us in Iran for example.
abandonconflict
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Australia has every reason to pick a side. I'm not arguing that there is a debt owed, but you don't snub Bubba in the prison yard in front of the shank wielding jackals.
abandonconflict
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The Han are already on those shores by the millions, with growing ethnic enclaves in every city, economic and political clout that rivals the domestic variety of colonial invaders (yourself included) and a covetous eye upon Australian resources. They're already aggressively hacking and spying out any strategic/industrial secrets and bribing politicians of all creeds at every echelon.