NFTG. Nectar For The Gods
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Daddygrows420
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Thanks man! That is what I did yesterday and did the 2nd flush on the Hubba. My EZ tea bloom package will be here today (4 days early), so I will give em a tea feeding tonight.
I think the lights may have been playing a role also causing some light/heat stress, so I moved them up a bit last night. I appreciate all the help Irie! Peace out!
I use to purposely fuck my plants up and put myself in situations to see how far I can push the nutrients ... and show pics of the progress , to where they need feed but over watered ... to having my ph to high ppm to low or low ppm and high ph . had where I got pissed broke the plant in half and now she is flowering ..... had on nectar forum where people shit was spot on and the plant was still acting weird , well thats either bugs , roots , genetics ... you really want to know why your slurries are not in range then look into your watering / feed habbits .. a lot comes down to experience , was in this game before the internet , so the experience comes from old school and some of the new school , but plants eat the same as always...
who is ready to play with VPD ?
BunkerKing
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dude thats funny.
I used to do the same thing in marketing. Would take something working and just wreck it.
To always learn how to unfuck something when needed.
and somewhat boredom lol. After you really master something, need some challenges.
IrieRoots
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VPD is very important, way more than the nutrients, and prolly the hardest to dial in for hobby growers on a budget. The only time mine is really tougher to keep in range is the winter time when the air gets so dry. The other issue managing VPD in hobby grows is the constant air extraction to maintain the best range possible, the plants don't have access to enough CO2 for higher performance growing with constant fresh air moving through, a trick is to find the sweet spot for air extraction that allows the plants some Windows of time to suck up CO2 before the air is replaced and temp/humidity doesn't spike to high---takes timers & controllers & monitors. Another very over looked thing in VPD is its based on leaf surface temps against the air humidity and NOT the room air temp. You will loose sleep trying to keep VPD in check!! Then it takes understanding how these numbers work against the moisture in the plant That the roots push up and out from the soil moisture. So when numbers go to high or low it can literally push back or pull too much and starve or burn the plant. A under watered plant is crushing to the plant,water pressure lost = plant droops & microbes die, ph buffers go whacky, domino effect!! Same for over watered plants = not enough water pressure to move the high volume, roots sufficate, anaerobic microbes take over, ph collapse, domino effect..LOL...A plant will build it metabolism based on the VPD it grows up in, within reason, so as long as we get close as possible we should be fine.....the main goal is to be consistent with day & night time temp/hum fluctuations and the plant will grow acustomed to its surroundings. But if you can hit the proper. VPD marks with high power lights, growing becomes a dream!! I'm no VPD PRO but I think anyone that wants to try and grow the highest quality possible needs to read up on it, and try to hit the best range possible. With this and some basic knowledge of how plants eat(TEAMING W/ microbes & NUTRIENTS) will help growers to better use Nectar, teas, plays well, the BIBLE, etc. This means you all have HOMEWORK CLASS!!....LOL....for real though....
IrieRoots
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Full-on is pretty amazing but takes getting used too, but can used in low dilutions. Especially with 3 & 5 gallon plants.
not really a fan of mammoth P w/ nectar but others say they like it. I use Megaphos from Blacksmith Bioscience
And photoplus is just a great product, especially when foliar spraying. Great for the rootzone too.
photo plus is good .... fullon works well, is it important ? not really ...does fish sh!t work ? im sure ... fullon acts like a throttle where you can use half strength nutrients be like using full strength .... main thing with teas is be diverse can never have enough of microbes , but ! more microbes you have the more your gonna feed cause the reactions happen fast ..... no idea about mammoth p ..... watch people burn shit up quick ....lol...
IrieRoots
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BK is our MAMMOTH P!! I havnt noticed a difference since I stopped using it in the rootzone. I use my MAMMOTH bottle and the few samples I have laying around as a microbe foliar in transition believe it or not. The liquid MAMMOTH is bottled in is an alfalfa based food source so with that and the microbes its a great hormonal bloom stimulant.
Hit up Full-on for some samples and see if you like it before you spend the $$$$
Photo is so affordable you really can't go wrong. I'm not sold on fish shit but don't know enough about it. My concern is the nitrates and I have so many other microbials that work for me that are staples in my toolbox.
EM1 is one of them, if I wasn't so busy I would make my own LABS because these forms of microbes are known to boost terpenes!!
Hit up Full-on for some samples and see if you like it before you spend the $$$$
Photo is so affordable you really can't go wrong. I'm not sold on fish shit but don't know enough about it. My concern is the nitrates and I have so many other microbials that work for me that are staples in my toolbox.
EM1 is one of them, if I wasn't so busy I would make my own LABS because these forms of microbes are known to boost terpenes!!
right on.....
best money spent is buying a stirricane !!!!
BunkerKing
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$250...
Or use a $15 dollar stepper motor, arduino, and some heavy duty mags.
#nerdlife lol.
BunkerKing
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If they made a lower cost model? maybe... maybe. But $250 is really hard to justify.
loop718
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What i dont understand about vpd is it always wants your humidity Super high and in flower i thought you don't want more then 50-55%. The problem im having with led is its taking way longer for the pots to dry up then it is my t5. My temps are 80-82* humidity is always low i dont get it. Even when my humidity is really high outside its still so low in my room i just bought 2 more humidifiers gna start pounding the room with some mist. I have humidity and temp regulators. My exhaust is running 24/7 maybe ill hook it on to a timer. I wonder if they have a co2 regulator to work with your exhaust fan. Vpd, nutrients, microbes, top dressing teas, all keeps me up at night lol very very late nights. I havent read much of the teaming books i bought i will admit. Time to hit the books is what yall saying lol.
well I didn't pay that much .... the stirricane is 199.00 .... but didn't pay that..lol.... but still well worth it .... when you got a difference of 300 ppm from hand mixing ...
not as bad with lights on ... its when lights are off you risk that chance of mold , small percentage ... but lights off temp drops you can be in that range.... when you chop the idea RH 50-60% when drying ... well u can get away with RH 60-70% but another factor comes to play , gotta have air moving around and the flower can't be wet ... I had already where next morning lights on plants are wet ..lol.... cause I had my outtake fan off...opps ...this is why when outdoor grow you dont want it to be rainy days when close to harvest or a lot of rain and humidity cause you get bud rot.... like corn to much rainy days you get molded corn ....
IrieRoots
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Bloom VPD for mid flower is money with leaf temps at 77 F and 45-50% RH, at least the charts I've seen
loop718
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Didnt know there was diff charts ive only seen the one.
IrieRoots
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Growth stage is usually the green blocks.....then like blue and yellow for early & mid flower