folks flowering immature seed plants aren't data points imo
I read all your posts on this and while you are not wrong about the ways to avoid intersex traits, I still can't agree with your conclusion about what is and what isn't valuable data.
If I had to guess, I'd say that at least half the people buying fem seeds, buy them with this in mind; They want to pop seeds; veg them for a couple/few weeks and flip them. Why? Because they are trying to stay under their plant limits and it's an easy and convenient way to do it. If they wanted to go through the entire process of plant selection, keeping mom plants etc, then they might as well stick with regular seeds because there is such a better selection of regs. It defeats the purpose of why many people buy fems in the first place, if you can't run them quickly.
In other words people are buying them to do exactly what you say they shouldn't do, some of them know the risks but I'd bet that most of them have no idea at all. And not only that but like I said, they bought them thinking this was what they were to be used for.
Furthermore, there are strains that do exceptionally well when started from seed, including strains that love to be started on 12/12. There are also fem seeds that can be flowered from immature seed plants without problems, so some people will really want to know which ones are safe(r) to run in their gardens. If every strain out there tossed balls easy then sure you would have a point, but we all know that some strains are more likely to do this than others. I like to avoid strains that toss balls easy, is that wrong?
This doesn't mean that a plant that tosses balls easy should always be culled or that the beans are shit. As you said, there are a lot of things you can do to avoid intersex problems, but one way (many will argue the best) is to keep them out of your garden in the first place. Knowing if a plant tosses balls easily or not is important, especially for new growers buying fems who intend to flower them from young plants, which is probably the majority of people buying these seeds.
It's almost as if you are saying; "Folks, don't buy these seeds and use them as you intended, because if you do, we will blame you for them having balls".
And I'm not trying to be rude to you, I'm just telling it how I see it. Also, I do agree that the data is incomplete, it would be nice for people to know if there were light leaks or other stress, but even with the limited info, it's still good to know. Just as it was good info that you put out explaining how to avoid some of these issues. What I don't like is when people act as if it's not an issue that should be addressed, especially not when I know that so many people buy these just so they can run them as quick as they can. It really would be nice to know which strains are handling stress and which ones aren't. This is one, incomplete but useful, step in that direction. Hopefully more people will come forward with info on which strains are throwing balls easy and which ones are not.
I'm also not trying to freak anyone out so they think they got shit beans, this is exactly what is to be expected from untested crosses especially from these high speed strains that we all know have some intersex traits in their background. You really do need to keep on eye on them closely and pay attention to them in a way that you don't with tried and true genetics, but that doesn't mean some of them aren't much better than others at handling stress. Some fems are better at handling stress than others, it's simply a fact and it's nice to know which ones are which.
By the way, I gifted my heisenbeans to a local who is going to let me know if he finds any keepers, other than that I'm done with these seeds and over the drama too, and I do sincerely wish all of you guys growing them the best of luck. If I do keep posting, I'll try and keep it polite.
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