Am I feeding them too much?

[Porky101]

Hi all!

I have been feeding my plants an EC of 2.0 Week 3 flower. (started flower food end of week 2)

They are still showing progression of deficiency's. I have increased to 2.2EC and still deficiency's increase, no burn.

How much is too much food? I am going to go to 2.4 and 2.6.

 

[Merlin1147]

Pics might help. What fertilizer? What are you seeing for deficiencies?

 

[jondamon]

Hi all!

I have been feeding my plants an EC of 2.0 Week 3 flower. (started flower food end of week 2)

They are still showing progression of deficiency's. I have increased to 2.2EC and still deficiency's increase, no burn.

How much is too much food? I am going to go to 2.4 and 2.6.

Without knowing more info it’s hard to tell.

But for instance.

My plants are 3ft tall. Only 2ft of canopy at the top though.

I grow in coco.

I use coco nutes with a few extras.

The highest I’ve used this grow is 1.4EC.

I’m currently at week 4 of flower and Running 1.0EC at pH5.8.

In coco running too high EC can cause uptake issues with salinity build up causing some ions to not be available to the plant due to the rhizosphere imbalance.

For example issues with Ca and K uptake can be linked to high salinity in the rootzone.


Give as much detailed info as you can on how you’re growing them, what nutes, what your environmental variables are Temp RH etc.

 

[hotrodharley]

Hi all!

I have been feeding my plants an EC of 2.0 Week 3 flower. (started flower food end of week 2)

They are still showing progression of deficiency's. I have increased to 2.2EC and still deficiency's increase, no burn.

How much is too much food? I am going to go to 2.4 and 2.6.

I’ll venture a guess that you’re feeding too much. Pics needed.

 

[Bernie420]

Hi all!

I have been feeding my plants an EC of 2.0 Week 3 flower. (started flower food end of week 2)

They are still showing progression of deficiency's. I have increased to 2.2EC and still deficiency's increase, no burn.

How much is too much food? I am going to go to 2.4 and 2.6.

If in dirt you might want to flush the fuck out of the pot and renute at an ec of 1.5 and add a microbe product.

 

[Porky101]

Without knowing more info it’s hard to tell.

But for instance.

My plants are 3ft tall. Only 2ft of canopy at the top though.

I grow in coco.

I use coco nutes with a few extras.

The highest I’ve used this grow is 1.4EC.

I’m currently at week 4 of flower and Running 1.0EC at pH5.8.

In coco running too high EC can cause uptake issues with salinity build up causing some ions to not be available to the plant due to the rhizosphere imbalance.

For example issues with Ca and K uptake can be linked to high salinity in the rootzone.


Give as much detailed info as you can on how you’re growing them, what nutes, what your environmental variables are Temp RH etc.

I grow them in perlite.

The only deficiency is ca.

I am running them very hot. 35c. Co2 1000ppm with 900 umols light.

It seems no matter how much calmag if give them, I still hit CA deficiency.



I have lowered the feed to 2.2 EC.

 

[Bernie420]

I grow them in perlite.

The only deficiency is ca.

I am running them very hot. 35c. Co2 1000ppm with 900 umols light.

It seems no matter how much calmag if give them, I still hit CA deficiency.



I have lowered the feed to 2.2 EC.


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so this is a flood and drain table or pots or something??
What is 35c which is 95f

so were clear on what your doing is that your feeding it a full blown flower ppm to a sick plant?

Maybe try an amino acid product tpo help with the calcium uptake or get a nute or whatever that has amino acids in it in abundace. Fish comes to mind but you dont want to run a fish product in a hydro system so DONT do that.

from the pics I would say you have a cal, mag, p, and spider mites issues.

 

[Porky101]

so this is a flood and drain table or pots or something??
What is 35c which is 95f

so were clear on what your doing is that your feeding it a full blown flower ppm to a sick plant?

Maybe try an amino acid product tpo help with the calcium uptake or get a nute or whatever that has amino acids in it in abundace. Fish comes to mind but you dont want to run a fish product in a hydro system so DONT do that.

from the pics I would say you have a cal, mag, p, and spider mites issues.

I agree with your views.


Should I flush with plain ph water?

 

[jondamon]

I grow them in perlite.

The only deficiency is ca.

I am running them very hot. 35c. Co2 1000ppm with 900 umols light.

It seems no matter how much calmag if give them, I still hit CA deficiency.



I have lowered the feed to 2.2 EC.


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Here’s one reason why I don’t like dual Ca Mg products in one bottle.

Too much Ca can give the appearance of an Mg deficiency.

Too much Mg can give the appearance of a Ca deficiency.

Personally I like mono Ca and good old fashioned Epsom Salts for Mg.

 

[Cannichef_rodri]

New to the grow market...looking for tips and advice for my first outdoor grow. I havent used nutes or really done anything other than a little l.s.t. and trimming back..have more pics available.

 

[Porky101]

Here’s one reason why I don’t like dual Ca Mg products in one bottle.

Too much Ca can give the appearance of an Mg deficiency.

Too much Mg can give the appearance of a Ca deficiency.

Personally I like mono Ca and good old fashioned Epsom Salts for Mg.

Well said.

I feel the same.

Calmag is calcium, MG, iron, nitrogen.

I only need CA.

I will source some CA EDTA.

I'll add that directly to my feed.

 

[Cannichef_rodri]

Well said.

I feel the same.

Calmag is calcium, MG, iron, sulfur.

I only need CA.

I will source some CA EDTA.

I'll add that directly to my feed.

Any advice?

 

[Porky101]

Any advice?

Use bagseed at your own risk... Invest in good seeds.

 

[xtsho]

Hi all!

I have been feeding my plants an EC of 2.0 Week 3 flower. (started flower food end of week 2)

They are still showing progression of deficiency's. I have increased to 2.2EC and still deficiency's increase, no burn.

How much is too much food? I am going to go to 2.4 and 2.6.

You are overfeeding.

"The overfeeding of any plant food can cause nutrient deficiencies."

 

[Bernie420]

I agree with your views.


Should I flush with plain ph water?

yes flush and renute at 1.5 ec


whats 35c your room temp or water temp

you in hydro flood drain or what type of system you using?

 

[Porky101]

35c room temp. Water temp under 20c.

Perlite. Some days flood and drain, some days drain to waste...depending on my mood

FYI, the photos I posted are the MAIN leaves on the stem. Other leaves are not affected. Only the big fan leaves seemed to be affected at the moment..

 

[Bernie420]

35c room temp. Water temp under 20c.

Perlite. Some days flood and drain, some days drain to waste...depending on my mood

FYI, the photos I posted are the MAIN leaves on the stem. Other leaves are not affected. Only the big fan leaves seemed to be affected at the moment..

I would just pick off the shittiest leaves then. they are not doing much for you at this point, opens up air flow lets the light get on the good active leaves

Can you check the roots at all are they in a net pot inside a pot or is this a table and you cant see the roots at all.

You check for spider mites leaves look like spider mite damage to me.

 

[Cannichef_rodri]

Use bagseed at your own risk... Invest in good seeds.

Ya not sure of seeds origins but nodes have a chocolate aroma to them so hopefully its decent seed.

 

[Bernie420]

i do ebb and flo,, hydroton

drain to wast you might miss roots that could/need to get wet

the high ec probably burnt up your roots, probably went into flower with a good looking but weak plant and then all these deficiencies started to show up.

kelp helps build roots use in veg, dont ever go into flower with a sick plant.

 

[Cannichef_rodri]

Use bagseed at your own risk... Invest in good seeds.

These are the clones ive taken from the outdoor female...im pretty sure they are in flowering tho how should i go about taking care of the clones indoors?