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IrieRoots

IrieRoots

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loop718 said:
Just wanna say how cool of a dude the beard is!! Hes researching my R/O system because it remineralizes the water for alkalinity hes making sure theres not weird chemistry going on with it. Thats going the extra mile for your customers.
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For sure, can you take the remineralizing filter out of the mix? The only thing I don't get is why now? and so abrupt?
 
loop718

loop718

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IrieRoots said:
For sure, can you take the remineralizing filter out of the mix? The only thing I don't get is why now? and so abrupt?
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I can but we came to the conclusion thats more beneficial then not to keep it connected as it adds all the minerals that the ro takes out.
 
loop718

loop718

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Another weird thing is one out of 13 plants that is in range is just exploding its so green and pretty double the size of everything else has pom poms forming all over the place. What the hell could of caused this one to stay the same when every plant has gotten the same treatment until now why would that one plants soil stay in range. Its 350 ppm and 6.7 ph and flourishing lol.
 
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bubba73

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loop718 said:
Just wanna say how cool of a dude the beard is!! Hes researching my R/O system because it remineralizes the water for alkalinity hes making sure theres not weird chemistry going on with it. Thats going the extra mile for your customers.
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what RO do you have ....
 
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bubba73

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loop718 said:
Another weird thing is one out of 13 plants that is in range is just exploding its so green and pretty double the size of everything else has pom poms forming all over the place. What the hell could of caused this one to stay the same when every plant has gotten the same treatment until now why would that one plants soil stay in range. Its 350 ppm and 6.7 ph and flourishing lol.
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the genetics , envoriment just make sure your not hitting any pockets with your ph meter .......make sure you dont have a bug issue or a root problem ... with low ph your soil went anaerobic , so what have you been top dressing or what have you been putting in your soil ? with teas are you using cultured or brewing ? maybe over did the foliar spray ....
 
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IrieRoots

IrieRoots

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loop718 said:
no bugs that i can see. I havent top dressed yet was going to wait until next run when im more familiar with nectar. All i have added to soil is the main 6 nutes and kraken. once a week i give one oz of photo p with feed mix. I give a ez tea with persephone once a week. I havent been foliating like i was in mid veg i only foliate with posidenzime and AE after my tea day once a week. Honestly bubba idk what could of caused this even Scott is stumped he said i have been doing everything right. My environment is 80* 60% rh. All he said that it could be is a reaction from the microbes. Maybe over watering or under watering. Idk i hope this flush at 7.0 will bounce em back. I have always fed at 6.4ph I'm worried it will happen again really stumped on this one. The plants look good but there not throwing pom poms line the one that is in range. And i can just tell they dont look as healthy as they have been. Heres a couple pics. The plant in the first pic up front and all the way to the left is the one in range. All the rest of the plants are at about 6.0 even. The second pic is the 4 plants that are 5.7-6.1 they dont look too bad but look like shit compared to the one in range pic doesn't do it justice but my eyes could tell something was off and slurry proved it.
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Stumped? Crazy, gotta be a microbe thing. The plants don't look too bad......just stay the course, keep doing what your doing, that Herc will straighten things up!!
 
loop718

loop718

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Thanks guys. Ill get it lol. After this run i feel like i have battled everything nectar has thrown at me lol. Should b able to bounce back and i already know a million things ill do diff next time!
 
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bubba73

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loop718 said:
no bugs that i can see. I havent top dressed yet was going to wait until next run when im more familiar with nectar. All i have added to soil is the main 6 nutes and kraken. once a week i give one oz of photo p with feed mix. I give a ez tea with persephone once a week. I havent been foliating like i was in mid veg i only foliate with posidenzime and AE after my tea day once a week. Honestly bubba idk what could of caused this even Scott is stumped he said i have been doing everything right. My environment is 80* 60% rh. All he said that it could be is a reaction from the microbes. Maybe over watering or under watering. Idk i hope this flush at 7.0 will bounce em back. I have always fed at 6.4ph I'm worried it will happen again really stumped on this one. The plants look good but there not throwing pom poms line the one that is in range. And i can just tell they dont look as healthy as they have been. Heres a couple pics. The plant in the first pic up front and all the way to the left is the one in range. All the rest of the plants are at about 6.0 even. The second pic is the 4 plants that are 5.7-6.1 they dont look too bad but look like shit compared to the one in range pic doesn't do it justice but my eyes could tell something was off and slurry proved it.
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I shot Scott a message and taking to him about it .....at least we got all the other stuff out of the way .... the inconsistency of watering could cause the microbes to go nuts , if there was a dry spell per say could of killed off the microbes and when you added more microbes those microbes ate the dead microbes and did a release and your ph dropped ..... the dead microbes still have food in bellies and when other microbes eats them they release more .....
 
loop718

loop718

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Everybody new here or new to nectar STAY VIGILANT on your slurries! Everything before this was going good and if i didnt check slurries the other day i wouldn't of caught this before it could of gone bad. Id suggest at least slurrying once a week just to make sure numbers are good.
 
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bubba73

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loop718 said:
Thanks guys. Ill get it lol. After this run i feel like i have battled everything nectar has thrown at me lol. Should b able to bounce back and i already know a million things ill do diff next time!
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stop adding tea till ph is in range .... which is low , but not an oh shit low......
 
loop718

loop718

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bubba73 said:
I shot Scott a message and taking to him about it .....at least we got all the other stuff out of the way .... the inconsistency of watering could cause the microbes to go nuts , if there was a dry spell per say could of killed off the microbes and when you added more microbes those microbes ate the dead microbes and did a release and your ph dropped ..... the dead microbes still have food in bellies and when other microbes eats them they release more .....
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Very well could be! I was watering less after transplant for root growth. Im going to stick to my feed every other day from now on no room for laziness.
 
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bubba73

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loop718 said:
Everybody new here or new to nectar STAY VIGILANT on your slurries! Everything before this was going good and if i didnt check slurries the other day i wouldn't of caught this before it could of gone bad. Id suggest at least slurrying once a week just to make sure numbers are good.
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once a week not bad .... I still check before I feed , except when last few weeks in flower ....
 
loop718

loop718

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Also the photo p in the foliar and the 1 oz once a week and the ez tea once a week maybe too much microbes? I was battling low ppm also so i was adding the teas with feed regimen sometimes. Deff going to chalk this up to microbes.
 
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bubba73

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loop718 said:
Also the photo p in the foliar and the 1 oz once a week and the ez tea once a week maybe too much microbes? I was battling low ppm also so i was adding the teas with feed regimen sometimes. Deff going to chalk this up to microbes.
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shit happens .... live and learn ...no death happen , so a great learning lesson ...
 
loop718

loop718

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Just a update after talking with bubba we figured it out!! It was deff over watering. Coming off battling low ppms in soil i was way over watering trying to keep ppms up. My biggest plant is the only one of the plants that wasnt effected by low ph. Its a big plant with a bigger root ball and could handle the excessive watering. You hear Scott and Bob always saying read your slurry but DONT PANIC. Thats exactly what i did and tried over doing things to fix it in return causing new problems. Thanks Irie and bubba another productive lesson lol.
 
IrieRoots

IrieRoots

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loop718 said:
Yessir! How often do you feed and how do you know when to feed? I have been waiting until the top of the pot is dry and crusted over.
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I feed every other day, usually right at lights ON. Each 5 gallon pot gets a little more than 1/2 gallon of feed and judging whether the time is right can be a bitch when running different genetics. They all eat a little different so pots vary in their moisture levels.....so some will be a little crusty on top and some will be nearing the crusty top but at 10% volume feeds I am safe to feed without over watering.
Then there is reading the plant, the water pressure in the rootzone holds the plant up giving it turgid strength and temps & air humidity hold it back and keep it regulated(VPD) but that's another "rabbit hole", I'm more getting at the turgidity of the plant. My leaf petioles, which should be reaching up at 45 degree angles & firm when plant has sufficient water/feed/light, will be a little softer and will begin to weep slightly when it is safe to feed. The trick is catching the plant before the weeping starts, which comes from consistency and reading the plant. Like how Bubba mentioned you should have an idea of how your plants have been reacting to your feed schedule by late veg and on through bloom. While in veg its good to let the plant weep a little longer, as the pots dry the roots will benefit from the extra oxygen and will fill the pot in search of more water. But as the plant matures and becomes established you should start to get a feel for your plants water needs and replenish them with their next feed just before they start showing the signs. The plant will become a custom to your watering habits and their metabolism will be built up from it. There are so many variables that can interfere and throw a wrench in the plants water needs but this is the general idea to work off when developing the plants water/feed needs. Japanese Bonsai Masters have to water daily and say it takes an apprentice 10 years to learn proper watering & feeding habits!!
 
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