Trump starts a war with Iran

abandonconflict

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Dryxi said:
Calm down sir. The war isn't coming to your front door. The ENTIRE world is against having a large confrontation. All of Iran's allies, are against a major confrontation. All of our allies are against a major confrontation. Should Iran bring the war straight to our door, what is it you think their military commanders think the reaction from the USA will be? It would be entirely insane. There is a reason we spend $600 billion+ on defense spending, compared to the rest of the world spending less than $250 billion. No-one ACTUALLY wants that fight. Everyone will go out of their way to stop a real war from happening. This includes countries like N. Korea and Iran. They don't actually want a full blown war, and unconventional or not, they still dont want a full blown war. They want to posture and show they "aren't" scared of the big bad USA. They want to say they stood up to the terrible imperialistic state. That is all.

If terrorist attacks begin in the USA, the response would be to attack whatever home country originated the attacks. Reason? To keep it away from our own front door. Its better to fight in the neighbors yard than your own.
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Actually, they do. They want America to spread itself thin fighting their proxies in meaningless quagmires that we will walk away from after wreaking havoc and still not achieving any positive result. China would love nothing more than for Uncle Sam to step right in and attack them on their terms in the SCS. Kim would like nothing more than for America to invade again with boots on the ground.

That's what we always do. That's why there is so much debt and our country is divided and hated. That's what we did in Korea. That's what we did in Vietnam. That's what we did in Afghanistan. That's what we were doing in Iraq, but now we're going for another round in the sandbox for Trump's reelection campaign.
 
abandonconflict

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Dryxi

Dryxi

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abandonconflict said:
Actually, they do. They want America to spread itself thin fighting their proxies in meaningless quagmires that we will walk away from after wreaking havoc and still not achieving any positive result. China would love nothing more than for Uncle Sam to step right in and attack them on their terms in the SCS. Kim would like nothing more than for America to invade again with boots on the ground.

That's what we always do. That's why there is so much debt and our country is divided and hated. That's what we did in Korea. That's what we did in Vietnam. That's what we did in Afghanistan. That's what we were doing in Iraq, but now we're going for another round in the sandbox for Trump's reelection campaign.
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Any conflict that includes China would be disastrous for both Nations. Both of our economies are dependent on each other. They don't want it.

Kim doesn't actually want a real war, his tiny country can't win a fight. Maybe we wouldn't win, but his country would be the one that loses should we have to fight there.

Iran doesn't want us to actually be fighting THEM. They want us to fight their funded terrorist, but at this time it is no longer about the terrorist groups, as much as it is about Iran itself. That is not a war they want, whether it is a proxy war in Iraq or Yemen or whatever. They want us to fight their proxies, not them. But with the current events of escalation, we wouldn't be saying these groups are individual from Iran. Iran would receive the trouble. It's not what they want right now.

All of these countries military leaders have more information than us. They know more than us, and thus may do things counter to what we think is common sense. But from what we publicly know, it seems extremely counterproductive to have a Nation vs Nation war with the United States.
 
abandonconflict

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Pride goeth before the fall.

Dryxi said:
Any conflict that includes China would be disastrous for both Nations.
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Any conflict, anywhere is a disaster. The US is already engaged. Defensive positions have been set. China is already preparing for the US to attack them and doing as much as it can to dominate the US. Every conflict the US escalates is an opportunity for the CCP. Everything the US does becomes a way for China to increase it's power, not just for the sake of power, but for the sake of becoming the world's sole super-power.

For everything the US does, China finds a way to benefit at the expense of the US.
Dryxi said:
Kim doesn't actually want a real war, his tiny country can't win a fight. Maybe we wouldn't win, but his country would be the one that loses should we have to fight there.
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That is literally all Kim wants. That is the state ideology. Their very identity is based on it.
Dryxi said:
Iran doesn't want us to actually be fighting THEM. They want us to fight their funded terrorist, but at this time it is no longer about the terrorist groups, as much as it is about Iran itself. That is not a war they want, whether it is a proxy war in Iraq or Yemen or whatever. They want us to fight their proxies, not them. But with the current events of escalation, we wouldn't be saying these groups are individual from Iran. Iran would receive the trouble. It's not what they want right now.
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No country has benefited more from OIF than Iran. Sadr's men learned IEDs from the IRGC. Iraqi Shiites ARE LITERALLY PERSIANS who speak Farsi and worship that twelver shit. Even the Arab Iraqi Shiites were living in what is now Iran during the Safavid period. Despite all of Hussein's efforts, Iraq has always been more Persian than Arab or Kurd. I'm guessing you weren't paid to think when you went over there because you don't seem to know who you fought if you were there after the battle of Fallujah when the Baathist forces were vanquished and our attention turned to Saddam's trial.

Pro-tip: It was Iran and millions of Iranians were eager to fight the American invaders.

Dryxi said:
All of these countries military leaders have more information than us.
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Oh, we have plenty of info, it's just that Trump doesn't fucking pay attention to those Intelligence agents who brief him.
 
Dryxi

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captainmorgan said:
tRUmp whining like a little bitch blames it all on Obama, of course he does, nothing is ever his fault, surprised he didn't blame Hillary too. What a spineless piece of shit he is.
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Trump did good. Iran can't actually do anymore aggression without becoming the bad guy again, while they were in a unique position of the US being the sole bad guy in the situation. Blaming it on Obama was a way to make this a political statement as well, considering the whole country was watching his speech. Good moves.
 
Herb & Suds

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Dryxi said:
Trump did good. Iran can't actually do anymore aggression without becoming the bad guy again, while they were in a unique position of the US being the sole bad guy in the situation. Blaming it on Obama was a way to make this a political statement as well, considering the whole country was watching his speech. Good moves.
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It makes him look like a whiney little bitch ...Orange but still a baby
 
Dryxi

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abandonconflict said:
Pride goeth before the fall.


Any conflict, anywhere is a disaster. The US is already engaged. Defensive positions have been set. China is already preparing for the US to attack them and doing as much as it can to dominate the US. Every conflict the US escalates is an opportunity for the CCP. Everything the US does becomes a way for China to increase it's power, not just for the sake of power, but for the sake of becoming the world's sole super-power.

For everything the US does, China finds a way to benefit at the expense of the US.
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It is all give and take. China does not win if they join a conflict between the US/Iran.

abandonconflict said:
That is literally all Kim wants. That is the state ideology. Their very identity is based on it.
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He already showed the willingness to back down as the US military began their push a while ago.

abandonconflict said:
No country has benefited more from OIF than Iran. Sadr's men learned IEDs from the IRGC. Iraqi Shiites ARE LITERALLY PERSIANS who speak Farsi and worship that twelver shit. Even the Arab Iraqi Shiites were living in what is now Iran during the Safavid period. Despite all of Hussein's efforts, Iraq has always been more Persian than Arab or Kurd. I'm guessing you weren't paid to think when you went over there because you don't seem to know who you fought if you were there after the battle of Fallujah when the Baathist forces were vanquished and our attention turned to Saddam's trial.

Pro-tip: It was Iran and millions of Iranians were eager to fight the American invaders.
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Your missing the point. In this position they are in, They do not want an outright war with the United States. They want us to fight proxies, they want us to fight them under the disguise of not being the Nation of Iran. In this position, right now, they do not want to have a full blown war. It would be counter-productive to the power they have amassed with the other Arab states.
 
Dryxi

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abandonconflict said:
Nah, you were just spewing nonsense and thinking you seemed smart while I contradicted your conclusions by reinterpreting your own premises to correct you.
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Homey, you are calling someone a retard for having a different opinion than yourself, when he wasn't wrong. The ball is in Irans court, Trump did not rise to their move of agression, meaning they are not in the position of power at this moment. Call (edit: Calm) down and stop being a child.
 
abandonconflict

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Dryxi said:
It is all give and take. China does not win if they join a conflict between the US/Iran.


He already showed the willingness to back down as the US military began their push a while ago.


Your missing the point. In this position they are in, They do not want an outright war with the United States. They want us to fight proxies, they want us to fight them under the disguise of not being the Nation of Iran. In this position, right now, they do not want to have a full blown war. It would be counter-productive to the power they have amassed with the other Arab states.
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No, they want us to bring our grey hulls through the Strait of Hormuz so they can sink them while we do absolutely nothing about it because sonar doesn't work there.
 
Dryxi

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abandonconflict said:
No, they want us to bring our grey hulls through the Strait of Hormuz so they can sink them while we do absolutely nothing about it because sonar doesn't work there.
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Dude, your not a military master. Leave that to the guys doing it. Our government, their government, everyones government, has more information than you or I.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Dryxi said:
Homey, you are calling someone a retard for having a different opinion than yourself, when he wasn't wrong.
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"Donald Trump won WWIII" actual quote from actual retard that you agree with.
Dryxi said:
The ball is in Irans court, Trump did not rise to their move of agression, meaning they are not in the position of power at this moment.
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IRAQ IS IRAN'S COURT. They won it, in war against the US after we toppled Hussein for them.
Dryxi said:
Call down and stop being a child.
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Fucking delicate snowflake you are...
 
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