Foxtail from stress or genetics?
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fatasstrex
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how do you suggest i solve it? its my first grow so its been a little rough. I really want to take the appropriate measures now so any problems don't get worse
fatasstrex
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do you think that the foxtailing is 100% stress induced? or do you think it may have something to do with the purp genetics?
also do you think i should harvest now, or relatively soon, to make sure the problems dont get worse?
TintEastwood
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Excessive heat....light....N
Awesome smoke fortunately.
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Awesome smoke fortunately.
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fatasstrex
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did your plants look like mine in the early stages of foxtailing?
It's not hot at all in the grow space. I'm going to cut back on the nutrients to help with the N toxicity. But i measured today and the lights are 14 inches away. They are 135 true-watt LEDs. Is this too much light? If so, are there any other signs of light stress I could look for to confirm that light is causing this issue?
@Dr. Who , would love to get your thoughts here as well
fatasstrex
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it's also foxtailing everywhere—even at the bottom of the cola which isn't getting much light. there milder cases of what seems to be foxtailing on the lower branches as well. This makes me suspect that it isnt a light issue but rather stress due to N or something else
indicoxy12
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Wait to harvest in my opinion those white pistils go orange brownish I say two more weeks and foxtailing could possibly be genetics too but the expert will tell you... all aside the plant still looks nice good job
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fatasstrex
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Update, everyone: this morning I cut off the lowest bud on one of the secondary/lower branches. I then used a plate on top of a pot of boiling water to quick-dry it. Just smoked it. Was around .5 grams worth. I'm pretty medicated considering I have such a high tolerance (smoke around 5 Gs a day). Wasn't dense at all, but I'm hoping that the plant will get denser as it ripens over the next couple weeks. The picture below is about halfway through the drying process.
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Dr. Who
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Here's all of them in one simple group.
It's your first grow - Don't sweat it! YOU did nothing, truly, wrong.
What you have there is some higher then needed N action. That is combined with a GENETIC predisposition to (If some factors come into play. - Some did but, they are not bad, nor plant ending)
There is no loss of any real quality from fox-tailing. It is simply a personal view on how they look - basically speaking. in fact you now have more plant matter, that has more trichomes on it by available space over the bud it's self.
So in someways or opinions. It could be better in some form. Like maybe trich's by volume increase?
MANY strains have a natural, genetic trait in them. Some are more active then others that are more recessed.
You simply got this strains predisposition, activated...
Don't harvest early! That is worse then the fox-tailing for sure!
Light? Tends to be less of an issue then most people think! To little is worse.
Run them out and enjoy them!
Next run of that strain. Reduce you N.
To say how much? I need to know what your feeding and how much, how often?
N is something that's easy to correct, low or high....
Be calm and carry on!
fatasstrex
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@Dr. Who thank you, i really appreciate your advice. I am using the Fox Farms trio, and I think i went a little overboard during the grow stage and overfertilized with the N-heavy nutrient solution. My next grow, I'm thinking ill get some nutrients from botanicare.
As its the last two weeks of my current grow, i will only water twice more (on 4/27 and 5/2). They dont drink that much and it takes around 5 days to dry up. I will be watering with water and hydrogen peroxide (H202 for extra oxygen) for the next watering. After that, I will water with 10mL Fox Farms Tiger Bloom for the last watering. I've decided to skip the flush as i care more about yield and trichs than flavor or smoothness. I plan to harvest on 5/8. I will likely start a 24 to 48 hour "lights out" dark period on 5/6 or 5/7
I plan to dry from 5/9 to 5/16. I graduate on the 18th so I will be moving out by then and will need to put everything in jars and start curing then.
As its the last two weeks of my current grow, i will only water twice more (on 4/27 and 5/2). They dont drink that much and it takes around 5 days to dry up. I will be watering with water and hydrogen peroxide (H202 for extra oxygen) for the next watering. After that, I will water with 10mL Fox Farms Tiger Bloom for the last watering. I've decided to skip the flush as i care more about yield and trichs than flavor or smoothness. I plan to harvest on 5/8. I will likely start a 24 to 48 hour "lights out" dark period on 5/6 or 5/7
I plan to dry from 5/9 to 5/16. I graduate on the 18th so I will be moving out by then and will need to put everything in jars and start curing then.
Budzbuddha
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Common at times with Sativa strains , regardless of strain dominance. Genetics often push this trait forward. Your noticeable heavy nitrogen excess causes this too. Temps are also a common start for this.
calyx “ stacks “ on top of each other to cool Themselves. You will also notice repeating growth of new pistils.
Called “ finger buds “ in extreme cases often cosmetic in genetics. Long stacked calyx foxtails are the least desired.
Yours seem related to the nitrogen excess that has amplified this trait.
calyx “ stacks “ on top of each other to cool Themselves. You will also notice repeating growth of new pistils.
Called “ finger buds “ in extreme cases often cosmetic in genetics. Long stacked calyx foxtails are the least desired.
Yours seem related to the nitrogen excess that has amplified this trait.
Budzbuddha
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One thing to remember .... plants run on their “ own “ schedule not a calendar.
There is ZERO REASON to run hydrogen peroxide in water at this point. The plant is telling you ( less drinking ) it is almost time.
IMO drop to plain water , since you overloaded it with Nutes. Left plant try to burn thru excess in its final weeks. No flushing , no adding anything. That plant is hyper loaded with nitro ( dark shiny leaf ) and it needs to excise it.
one “ trick “ to push finish is to drop light cycle to 10/14 during final week ( s) to trick plant into thinking shorter days are here and it needs to complete blooming. I think your plant will be pretty “ green “ tasty at end but you will be able to compensate with a long / slow / steady cure for it to break down chlorophyll at end. FF trio is notoriously concentrated which in turn compels you to start at about a 1/4 strength. They also salt up mediums very quickly.
fatasstrex
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Thank you for your advice and taking the time to reply! Do you think the extra Oxygen in the water wouldn’t help the plants be healthier? I just found out that I could use it with plants and so have only watered with H202 once before. I won’t feed any nutrients until harvest. Wouldn’t flushing also be good since it’ll get rid of salts and nutes in the soil?
fatasstrex
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Are foxtails the least desired simply for aesthetic purposes or do they compromise yield as well?
Budzbuddha
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If it comes from anything other than genetics , you will have to look at other causes..... like environment, temp and other stressors.
If from genetics and its just for your personal consumption .... grind it smoke it and move on.
Aesthetics mostly. In a grinder ... who cares ?
If from genetics and its just for your personal consumption .... grind it smoke it and move on.
Aesthetics mostly. In a grinder ... who cares ?
fatasstrex
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@Budzbuddha can you please explain why you think adding H202 (for more oxygen in water) is bad or harmful? I am a new grower and don't know much about these things yet, and I dont want to do anything detrimental to my plants. So if the extra oxygen wont make the plants more healthy, i wont give it to them. Thanks in advance!
Budzbuddha
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If your medium is already well aerated / drain and allowed to have a good wet/dry cycle then it is fine.
You want a little more oxygen .. then bubble your water for 24 hours before use. Adding hydrogen peroxide at this late stage will not give you any benefit at harvest. For rooting it can help early on , but its really not a necessary option other than some insect control.
You want a little more oxygen .. then bubble your water for 24 hours before use. Adding hydrogen peroxide at this late stage will not give you any benefit at harvest. For rooting it can help early on , but its really not a necessary option other than some insect control.
fatasstrex
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@Budzbuddha unfortunately i dont have a bubbler and cant invest in one as im moving cities in less than a month. but ill definitely look into it for future grows!