I think I should start over.

[Airwalker16]

Like I said, you'd replace with new hydroton. I know if it were mine, I'd probably at least TRY to see what's going on down there. Leaving a big clump in the middle of the hydroton is going to cause issues in the future. you need to eradicate that Shit from your setup completely.

 

[fragileassassin]

I've never cut the rot off of any of my plants. Id probably put the plant in a clean bucket and give the hydroton a good rinse. I mix up a couple gallons of a 2x strength southern ag solution and just rinse the pot, but all of the plants I've ever had rot on recovered without removing anything.
You either fixed the problem or you didn't. So far it sounds like you're on the right track.

 

[Airwalker16]

How does this affect you?? Please tell me rn

It's just good forum etiquette as he said. You do whatever you want to.

 

[Distortionist]

Continued improvement! I'm so happy guys!

 

[Distortionist]

Here is some of the newer growth. Can someone tell me if the leaves look, I can't read them properly yet they seem ok to me.

 

[fragileassassin]

Watch the new growth on the top of it for the next few days.
It looks hungry now, but its also had major damage done to the roots so it couldn't eat as well. Itll likely not do a whole lot passed trying to repair its root structure for the next several days to week.
How much ppm are you currently feeding?

 

[Distortionist]

Watch the new growth on the top of it for the next few days.
It looks hungry now, but its also had major damage done to the roots so it couldn't eat as well. Itll likely not do a whole lot passed trying to repair its root structure for the next several days to week.
How much ppm are you currently feeding?

350ppm. Its weak for recovery. Full strength was causing the curls to be worse. I feed again on monday. I am wanting to flip to flower if it keeps improving like this on monday. Think I should mix in some more food for it?

 

[Airwalker16]

Do not flip until it has FULLY recovered.

 

[Airwalker16]

350ppm is perfect for where you're at

 

[rkymtnman]

the one thing i thought worth mentioning was raising your lights up. it helped in that you didn't have too much light but you had too much light for your lack of root structure. the roots couldn't keep up with what the leaves were doing.

in the future, you would probably be fine at moving your lights closer.

 

[Distortionist]

Guys my AC is here. It's a bit bigger than I imagined but itll fit I think! I'll install it later. It was a but wet for some odd reason I'm letting it dry.

 

[Distortionist]

Guys this AC is also a heater. It's a kickstarter thing. I gotta let it sit for 24h and it was wet so itll dry by then.
It's a split unit so it sucks air from out of the tent to cool the condenser and spots it back out of the tent. No negative pressure and no heat expelled into the tent.

It also can run on a schedule. It can be a ventilator and dehumidifier too. It's awesome! I just need to figure out how to fit it, I'll probably throw the dehumidifier and humidifier ontop of it to save space. It even has a tube for excess condensation but for me to use it I'd have to elevate it a bit and stick the tube into a container.

Can't wait to install it but so far, if it works, I think it's the perfect unit for a grow room. Its rated for 150sqft. Its thermo electric but also uses a refrigerant to transfer heat and expel it.

It's called a cosmos I think by gene space on amazon. You can also order it from kickstarter. It is wifi enabled and can control amd set stuff from your phone but I have yet to try it.

Best part is it is cheaper than a chiller lol.

 

[My Name is Mike]

Appreciate you sharing the journey. It's worth the knowledge to keep going. I wanted to follow up from the list of mistakes. Overwatering shouldn't be on your list as a mistake but the 15 on 45 off is. Are you running dripper 24 on? If not, I recommend running the dripper 24hr.

 

[JewelRunner]

this plant looks tired
i think she has too much light
pretty common problem for many growers
how far your led is from canopy
veg stage dont require much lumens

I've had similar issues with running leds in veg before. Never seems to be a problem in flower when they get 12hrs of rest each night. you could try an 18/6 schedule too if you're running the light 24/7 currently in veg.

 

[Distortionist]

Appreciate you sharing the journey. It's worth the knowledge to keep going. I wanted to follow up from the list of mistakes. Overwatering shouldn't be on your list as a mistake but the 15 on 45 off is. Are you running dripper 24 on? If not, I recommend running the dripper 24hr.

It was on 24h. I had a similar setup 10 years ago and I remember having to put the dripper on a timer too but i don't remember why. This time I did it because each time I put h2o2 on my plant it picked up, and the clawing is a sign of lack of o2 and overwatering. One more thing was the drain holes in the top bucket are tiny and few. I think they are pretty clogged up with roots. If I fill water from there it floods easy and drains slow. The timer makes sure it drains well, and roots get more air. The hydroton never actually dries, even the surface is visibly moist. I also have a massive bubbler in the res underneath the plant so its a hybrid, the roots are still in water down there. I wish I can remember why I switched to timer last time, I can't remember if it was to reduce splashing, or I ran into trouble.

I've had similar issues with running leds in veg before. Never seems to be a problem in flower when they get 12hrs of rest each night. you could try an 18/6 schedule too if you're running the light 24/7 currently in veg.

It is 18/6 but I do have a light that is overkill. It fills the whole top of the tent and it is as bright as the sun. Raising it certainly helped, and I also dimmed it by 50w. I love this light. It wasnt even set to full blast. I tried cranking it up all the way and it drew over 700w! It was set at 450w from factory. This light is insane! Way better than my 100 dollar Amazon 100w one haha.

 

[rob333]

It was on 24h. I had a similar setup 10 years ago and I remember having to put the dripper on a timer too but i don't remember why. This time I did it because each time I put h2o2 on my plant it picked up, and the clawing is a sign of lack of o2 and overwatering. One more thing was the drain holes in the top bucket are tiny and few. I think they are pretty clogged up with roots. If I fill water from there it floods easy and drains slow. The timer makes sure it drains well, and roots get more air. The hydroton never actually dries, even the surface is visibly moist. I also have a massive bubbler in the res underneath the plant so its a hybrid, the roots are still in water down there. I wish I can remember why I switched to timer last time, I can't remember if it was to reduce splashing, or I ran into trouble.


It is 18/6 but I do have a light that is overkill. It fills the whole top of the tent and it is as bright as the sun. Raising it certainly helped, and I also dimmed it by 50w. I love this light. It wasnt even set to full blast. I tried cranking it up all the way and it drew over 700w! It was set at 450w from factory. This light is insane! Way better than my 100 dollar Amazon 100w one haha.

more light = more buds

 

[Distortionist]

more light = more buds

Agree but my plant is sick and it's not flowering yet Haha. Once my plant is fully recovered I'll crank it up bit by bit till I reach the max my plant can handle.

 

[Distortionist]

Just an update for today. The plant was a little wilty in the morning before the lights went on. I found that odd but it started picking up again when lights came on. I was going to try and dump the hydroton but chickened out. There's roots all over it and I cant see myself not making things worse. Here are some pics. Not sure what order the upload shuffles them to I tried to upload in order but it seems to mix them.

 

[JewelRunner]

I would foliar feed at night with a dilute compost tea and a little cal mag. Silicon can help plants deal with stress, might be worth supplementing if you aren’t already. agsil 16h powder is the cheapest way to go.

 

[Distortionist]

My AC arrived and is installed. I definitely don't have room for a second waterfarm lol. The dimensions did not include the vent manifolds and the cooling shoots out the side so I need clearance on 3 sides. The cooling side I left a small gap away from the wall of the tent so it blows there, not efficient but it's working and I couldn't fit it anywhere else. I just finished to will test more when lights are back on.

As for the plant. It looked good all day but it starts to wilt really bad at night. I'm not sure if it got hot while I was ripping my tent apart, or I disturbed the roots, or more rot that made it worse but just incase I put a strong dose of h202 and uc roots in there. I'm going to fix this plant or kill it trying. I will persist with these doses every day till my water change on monday and I will also flush it with a strong dose of pool shock when I do the water change. Roots on the bottom seem fine, gotta be rot in the hydroton. So many roots in the hydroton I really can't see how I can get them all out and redo the hydroton in there. Theres roots holding onto them all over so it's super strong antiseptics, till either the rot or the plant dies.

The AC temperature probe isn't long enough so it's a bit low so I set the temperature to 22 and the tents exhaust vent to activate at 26. When it was running for the short time before the light went out the temp of the room was 25. I may need to adjust a little more. My goal is to maintain a temp of 25 while everything is running without the exhaust fan of the tent turning on. I am doing this because I want co2 in there and I don't want it exhausted out of the tent.

I feel like I spent way too much money for one plant. When everything is running (chiller and ac actively cooling) I'm at 850 watts which is quite high for one plant. It kept tripping my power bar that connects the whole tent so I put the AC on a different socket. The good news is I'll be insulating everything really well so the chiller doesnt activate too much. The AC is rated for 150sqft and is 5000btu so it only was activating for short periods to bring the temp down. It activates at 22.5 and turns off at 21.5. I hope it doesn't suck too much juice. Most of the time when the lights are on it "only" sucks 450w till i crank up the lights back to normal, which will bring me to 550, and at full light strength which I will probably never use in such a small tent its 750w. This light is incredibly bright.