Light opinion sf-2000

Fordprefect42

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Wondering if I can get some opinions on the sf-2000. I’m finishing up my first grow under a cheap blurple and looking to upgrade a bit. Thinking of running 2-4 plants in a 5x5 tent. Extra tent size is to allow room for a humidifier/dehumidifier.

Is this a reasonable setup? Decent value? Any alternatives you like better?
 

Bosgrower

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There are plenty of options for a 5x5 but you'll need to give us a budget to work with in order to make useful suggestions.
 

pulpoinspace

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30 watts/sqft is a good rule of thumb. used to be 30-50 but now that these cheaper lights are getting 2.0umols/w 30 is plenty. so for a 5x5 i'd look for around 750 watts.

here are come good options




spider farmer doesn't really make a light for 5x5. the SF-4000 would be insufficient and hanging 2 of them in a 5x5 doesnt work well. best bet would probably be 4x SF2000. id rather have the mammoth or build a strip light myself.
 

Fordprefect42

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30 watts/sqft is a good rule of thumb. used to be 30-50 but now that these cheaper lights are getting 2.0umols/w 30 is plenty. so for a 5x5 i'd look for around 750 watts.

here are come good options




spider farmer doesn't really make a light for 5x5. the SF-4000 would be insufficient and hanging 2 of them in a 5x5 doesnt work well. best bet would probably be 4x SF2000. id rather have the mammoth or build a strip light myself.
Thanks! I think I might have to consider a smaller tent if that’s the case. Don’t think my wife would be thrilled with me dropping 1500 on lighting. I have heard the 30w per square foot thing before, but I was assuming that was related to the square foot of the plants not of the tent. Is there a reason why the tent is the right way to measure watts per square foot rather than using the area covered by the plants?
 

Fordprefect42

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30 watts/sqft is a good rule of thumb. used to be 30-50 but now that these cheaper lights are getting 2.0umols/w 30 is plenty. so for a 5x5 i'd look for around 750 watts.

here are come good options




spider farmer doesn't really make a light for 5x5. the SF-4000 would be insufficient and hanging 2 of them in a 5x5 doesnt work well. best bet would probably be 4x SF2000. id rather have the mammoth or build a strip light myself.
Thanks. Feeling like a DIY might be geeking out more than I’m ready for.
 

pulpoinspace

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Thanks! I think I might have to consider a smaller tent if that’s the case. Don’t think my wife would be thrilled with me dropping 1500 on lighting. I have heard the 30w per square foot thing before, but I was assuming that was related to the square foot of the plants not of the tent. Is there a reason why the tent is the right way to measure watts per square foot rather than using the area covered by the plants?
most people use their whole tent for plant canopy, it works best with the reflective walls, youll achieve the best and most even levels of light by lighting the full space. I was gonna say depending on where you are you shouldn't need a humidifier/dehumidifier. As long as you can exhaust to outside and you live in a reasonable climate. If your budget is around 500 you could get the SF-4000 and light a 4x4 with it. If you're just growing for personal consumption a 4x4 or even 3x3 is plenty.
 

Skewbong

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are you looking for economy lights or high end?Economy works for most of us hobbyists as im growing for personal, not getting into "high times" mag. SF and Mars quantum boards are the best economy lights going. SF is higher quality, but mars is cheaper quality parts....keep in mind the SF is not that much better than mars but more $ and mars has a 3 year warranty, therefore better value to me. I bought my first Mars tsw2000 ( im growing 3 med/large girls), couldn't be happier. The tsw3000 would be more than good for 4 plants, or 2 really big ones.
 

Rocket Soul

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If youre happy to do minimal diy, as in turning screws and pushing in wires into easy connectors and if youre tent is high enough for say 18" hanging height then the hlg qb96 is a good and flexible option: its 69$ /62 with RIU10 code discount and it runs up to 160w as is, all you need is drivers which isnt to bad, 35ish for 240w of xlg. I wouldnt sleep on them as i think they are on clearance and on its way out of stock. You could do 1 per 2x2 section on 120w, using a 240 driver for a sort 4x2 cover to start. the more of them you get the lower you can put the wattage per light: the better it will run.
If you get 6 of them and 2 meanwell xlg-240-h-A (or AB if you can score them) you would end up around 500, have enough lights to run almost the whole tent on high or whole tent at mid intnesity: all youd have to do is get another driver if you wanted to upgrade.

Hlg is hands down a better company than SF with 100% better aftersales, also sponsors here on riu so they take care of their customers and show a lotta love
 

Fordprefect42

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most people use their whole tent for plant canopy, it works best with the reflective walls, youll achieve the best and most even levels of light by lighting the full space. I was gonna say depending on where you are you shouldn't need a humidifier/dehumidifier. As long as you can exhaust to outside and you live in a reasonable climate. If your budget is around 500 you could get the SF-4000 and light a 4x4 with it. If you're just growing for personal consumption a 4x4 or even 3x3 is plenty.
Maybe that would be the way to go. The dehumidifier seems to be more important. I don’t think I can keep my humidity below 50% in a Missouri summer during flower. Also moving this to the basement where I expect humidity to be higher. Thanks for the thoughts.
 

Fordprefect42

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If youre happy to do minimal diy, as in turning screws and pushing in wires into easy connectors and if youre tent is high enough for say 18" hanging height then the hlg qb96 is a good and flexible option: its 69$ /62 with RIU10 code discount and it runs up to 160w as is, all you need is drivers which isnt to bad, 35ish for 240w of xlg. I wouldnt sleep on them as i think they are on clearance and on its way out of stock. You could do 1 per 2x2 section on 120w, using a 240 driver for a sort 4x2 cover to start. the more of them you get the lower you can put the wattage per light: the better it will run.
If you get 6 of them and 2 (or AB if you can score them) you would end up around 500, have enough lights to run almost the whole tent on high or whole tent at mid intnesity: all youd have to do is get another driver if you wanted to upgrade.

Hlg is hands down a better company than SF with 100% better aftersales, also sponsors here on riu so they take care of their customers and show a lotta love
So wasn’t planning to do the diy thing, but watched some videos and the idea is interesting. Could I run 6 on one driver? At 240 volts I assumed one of those drivers might cover it. I’m still not sure I’m ready to diy, but it’s a really interesting idea. Thanks for all the specific detail. For the money it would be a killer set up.
 

Fordprefect42

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are you looking for economy lights or high end?Economy works for most of us hobbyists as im growing for personal, not getting into "high times" mag. SF and Mars quantum boards are the best economy lights going. SF is higher quality, but mars is cheaper quality parts....keep in mind the SF is not that much better than mars but more $ and mars has a 3 year warranty, therefore better value to me. I bought my first Mars tsw2000 ( im growing 3 med/large girls), couldn't be happier. The tsw3000 would be more than good for 4 plants, or 2 really big ones.
More economy I think. Enjoying this, but I have never been into hard core expenditures on hobbies. Thanks for the thoughts on the two. My only perception of Mars was lower quality, but the warranty is nice.

Edit: actually looking at the specs the Mars runs 1095 umol/joule and the sf is more like 2700. Isn’t that a significantly more powerful light in terms of photons?
 
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Rocket Soul

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So wasn’t planning to do the diy thing, but watched some videos and the idea is interesting. Could I run 6 on one driver? At 240 volts I assumed one of those drivers might cover it. I’m still not sure I’m ready to diy, but it’s a really interesting idea. Thanks for all the specific detail. For the money it would be a killer set up.
240 driver: 240w, no need for 240V you can run onn normal 120V if youre US. Id rec the following: 3x qb96 in parallel connection over 4way Wago easy connector on a meanwell xlg240h-AB driver for about 80w each. And then duplicate this. This should give you a 4x4 and if you get anotther driver at a later point, and run 2 qb96 per driver, each qb at 120w you will have your full 5x5.

Its so easy to diy, dont worry about tech skills, its really easy. If you can setup hps you can set up a leed diy.

You can run 6 on one driver but it would not give you more than maybe a 4x2, 3 per 240 is ideal.
 

Fordprefect42

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240 driver: 240w, no need for 240V you can run onn normal 120V if youre US. Id rec the following: 3x qb96 in parallel connection over 4way Wago easy connector on a meanwell xlg240h-AB driver for about 80w each. And then duplicate this. This should give you a 4x4 and if you get anotther driver at a later point, and run 2 qb96 per driver, each qb at 120w you will have your full 5x5.

Its so easy to diy, dont worry about tech skills, its really easy. If you can setup hps you can set up a leed diy.

You can run 6 on one driver but it would not give you more than maybe a 4x2, 3 per 240 is ideal.
Thanks. Can you explain the difference between running on 1 driver versus 2? The only thing I gathered was that more amperage means more heat and less efficiency.
 

Skewbong

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More economy I think. Enjoying this, but I have never been into hard core expenditures on hobbies. Thanks for the thoughts on the two. My only perception of Mars was lower quality, but the warranty is nice.

Edit: actually looking at the specs the Mars runs 1095 umol/joule and the sf is more like 2700. Isn’t that a significantly more powerful light in terms of photons?
yes higher umol/j is better, I never purchased any of the older Mars products for the same reason as you, the old epistar lights weren't very good, but these QB's are nice. which two models are you comparing to? i never saw a variance that high between the two, because i would have purchased the SF for sure. Im not saying your wrong, i'm just curious if we were looking at different numbers. every number i looked at was very equal (when comparing similar or equivalent models/wattage), and not nearly 3x higher.
 

Rocket Soul

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The driver/powersupply i reced is 240w. That is only enough power for about a 4x2, no matter if you use 3 or 6 qb96. The way these connections work is that they share rhe power. 2 means 120 each, 3 means 80, 6 means 40w each.

Each qb will be fine up to 160 with no extra heat management. But best not over 120w.
 
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