Samsung H series strips, Arrow seems to be blowing them out! what a deal!

babybud

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can you send some part numbers or links please ?
If you are asking about strips with the LM561c the 2 H series were the only ones available Sunday. I made a list braking down all the cheap strips on arrow by price, size, K, L/W, volts, test, max etc but lost it when the power died. For example B8T052280WW m is $0.41 and has LM561B+ diodes 148/lw. Not as efficient but they run on 12v which should make finding a cheap driver easy. At 1ft they will work great for small, stealth, cabinet, etc type grows. I will be using them mostly for a small cabinet/box type setup that I can use to temporarily separate females pollinated for seeds or quarantine a potential herm.

The V series at 130-140L/W is even less efficient but at $0.26 for 2ft they can make a cheap seedling/clone rack light once all the H series are sold out lol
 

getogrow

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same here , tariffs are fucked , so i only ordered 48 of the 4k. 72 bucks. still cheap enough to play with i suppose.
Thanks haze for the find.
 

getogrow

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Yes, they are the exact same strips.

Technically they are a 30W strip: LM561C is 3V at 200mA x 8 in series (24V) x 6 in parallel (1.2A) = 28.8W.

I had both those frames wired to a HLG-320-48A driver for around 345W, which was running those LM561Cs at 50% of their maximum rating (100mA each) mounted on some 40mm x 25mm x 3mm U-channel.
so technically , your frames can handle up to 650 watts ish and still be within the right range? but of course , thats max and they would run hot but am i correct ?
 

haze010

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so technically , your frames can handle up to 650 watts ish and still be within the right range? but of course , thats max and they would run hot but am i correct ?
Personally, running them hot defeats the purpose for me. I like not having to cool a growing area and being able to have the lights closer helps negate any verticle space issues. If you figure out before you buy drivers what you want and need the only difference between running hot and not is how many strips you have for the area.

If i have a 4x4 tent and i want 600 watts for it the only difference between running hot and not is how many strips you use in your setup to cover that area. For my 4x4 tent i went with constant current @ 700ma using 36 strips. Sure i could have put more light in but do you really need more than 40watts/square foot of high efficiency led? I dont think so (i could be wrong but thats what i aimed for), unless you get into co2. In the end you can do a setup with less strips to get 600watt in that tent, but you will just produce more heat. The strips are so cheap theres really no reason to drive them hot even if you dont care about cooling IMHO.

Edit: i know the proper way of doing it with leds is using ppfd, i was just trying to simplify the expanation.
 
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getogrow

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Personally, running them hot defeats the purpose for me. I like not having to cool a growing area and being able to have the lights closer helps negate any verticle space issues. If you figure out before you buy drivers what you want and need the only difference between running hot and not is how many strips you have for the area.

If i have a 4x4 tent and i want 600 watts for it the only difference between running hot and not is how many strips you use in your setup to cover that area. For my 4x4 tent i went with constant current @ 700ma using 36 strips. Sure i could have put more light in but do you really need more than 40watts/square foot of high efficiency led? I dont think so (i could be wrong but thats what i aimed for), unless you get into co2. In the end you can do a setup with less strips to get 600watt in that tent, but you will just produce more heat. The strips are so cheap theres really no reason to drive them hot even if you dont care about cooling IMHO.

Edit: i know the proper way of doing it with leds is using ppfd, i was just trying to simplify the expanation.
Thank you sir. I was just trying to get a jist on how the power works an such. i dont want to max um out for no reason either. im with you on that one.
I believe he said 200mA is the max per diode. so somehow i got 650w as being the absolute max power you could run to them. (24 strips) by tomorrow , i will understand a whole lot more but my brain is maxed for the day.

yes , 40 watts a foot is killing it...i do know that much!
 

loco41

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Thank you sir. I was just trying to get a jist on how the power works an such. i dont want to max um out for no reason either. im with you on that one.
I believe he said 200mA is the max per diode. so somehow i got 650w as being the absolute max power you could run to them. (24 strips) by tomorrow , i will understand a whole lot more but my brain is maxed for the day.

yes , 40 watts a foot is killing it...i do know that much!
I did some half ass math last night and remember coming up with 16 strips per xlg-150 as a nice fit for running them close to nominal current wired in 2s8p per fixture.

Not sure the size area and if you trying to use for veg/flower, just my thoughts when I was looking at them.
 

getogrow

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does this wiring look feasable for 48 strips? my theory is that i'll get about 10 watts a strip that way ..... if it works on just that one driver.
 

loco41

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mine are for a spread out veg. im hoping to put about 450 watts into 24 strips....the build/s will be very similar to prawns.
Yea, I was misreading the datasheet and thought these had to be run a lot lower than that. Went back and saw prawns posts this time too, so definitely seems like you got a good path to follow. Hope it all comes together nicely for you.
 

Prawn Connery

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so technically , your frames can handle up to 650 watts ish and still be within the right range? but of course , thats max and they would run hot but am i correct ?
So "technically" I am referring to the maximum current of each LM561C diode (200mA) multiplied by the voltage at that current (3V), multiplied by the number of diodes on each strip (48 ) = 28.8W. With 12 strips on each frame, the maximum wattage is 345.6W.

Originally I had each frame on a 240W driver for 480W total. This was too much for my 4x2 area, so I dialled them down until I found I could run both frames off a 320W driver at around 345W – which incidentally was 50% of the maximum current rating of each diode.

There is a maximum temperature rating as well as max current for each diode, so as long as you don't exceed that temperature, you can run your LEDs as hard as you like. The trick with LEDs is they can be run up to and over their maximum rating . . . as long as you can keep them cool. Cooling increases efficiency and diode life.

Samsung F-Series strips run their diodes very close together – so they will heat up more for the same current. However, H-Series strips have their diodes spaced quite far apart, so will not heat up as much at the same current. (F-Series have aluminium PCBs, H-Series have FR-4, so the F-Series have better thermal dissipation to make up a little for the close diode spacing.)

So it simply comes down to cooling. At 480 watts (240W per frame), the frames were hot to touch. At 345W (175W per frame) they ran only slightly warm. At 650W they would have run very hot, but with a fan blowing over the U-channel to duct the heat away, they would have probably been OK. If I had a better heatsink design, they definitely would have been OK.

But at that wattage, the LEDs would not have been very efficient and would have created a lot of heat inside a small area (as well as producing way too much light).

A side-effect of running each strip at only 50% is that the plants could grow into the frame with very little damage.

The moral of the story is, you need to find a "happy medium" between diode cost vs efficiency vs heatsinking vs light. More diodes at a lower power is more efficient, but more expensive. Fewer diodes at a higher power are less efficient and need good heatsinking, but may or may not be cheaper – as you also need to factor in the cost of proper heatsinking.

TLDR
So what you're really asking me is how hard I would run those frames? The answer is I would pair each frame to a 240W driver and run them at up to 270W per frame (a HLG-240H driver will output anywhere from 260-280W). That would be enough to cover a 3'x3' with each frame (just), but would be better suited to a 2.5'x2.5'. Or do what I did and cover a 2'x2' dialled down to 170W or so.
 

Prawn Connery

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does this wiring look feasable for 48 strips? my theory is that i'll get about 10 watts a strip that way ..... if it works on just that one driver.
I should have looked at this before I responded. ^ That is exactly what I started with, including the 480 driver, but I used a 48V driver because I had 2 strips wired in series, then 6 x 2 in parallel.

Incidentally, the way you have those wired also requires a 48V driver. I suspect you already knew that ;)
 
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