Growingseedy
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Veganics Cheat sheet
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Me too buddy, I had to chuckle when i read that organic and bio organics was invented in California. Of course it was, before these dudes no plants grew..... VSS is literally just a bunch of white labeled mycos and bacteria with some clever words to market it. I am not saying it doesnt work, of course it does, I mean plants have been forming relationships with fungi and bacteria for years, just as we have as humans.This might shed some light as to why it's effective:
http://cdn.arbico-organics.com/downloads/1305420_Veganic Special Sauce-OGTea_12916.pdf
Just found this also and it says quite a bit:
http://greenbookpages.com/reviews/hydroponics/og-tea-veganic-special-sauce-microbial-tea/
I love doing research for The Greater of All.I can't say that I entirely agree with the authors spin on how compost teas were discovered but I did find it informative.
The various inputs eg rock dust, kelp etc are where we find the microbes in nature, they eat these things, live where these materials are found. The microbes in VSS, and those occurring in natural healthy soil systems, reduce the organic material from simple to complex, from big to small. These particular microbes breathe in Oxygen and Out CO2. This CO2 combines with water (H2O) and this forms an acid (Carbonic Acid - CO2 + H2O -> H2CO3) which mobilizes the minerals from the parent material in to a water soluble form. It is the respiration of healthy microbial communities that enables access to critical minerals which are essential for good plant growth. The reason this product "VSS" is seen to work, is for exactly this reason.
In nature, all things have what are called "biological markers", the higher the number of biological markers, the more virulent the plant growth and the less we have to spend time as a grower tinkering. The difference between what we call a weed or a cultivated plant and its successful growth is found in the numbers of partnerships any plant can form. The more partners, the more likely success, whatever the conditions.
EG Hogweed has 18+ biological markers, where sun flowers have 4. Ergo conditions must be far more perfect to grow sunflowers. I hope this makes sense.
Whatever, no plant grows without both decomposing microbes and humifying microbes. Humifying microbes are more delicate and subject to losses, eg the drying of soil, over watering, over feeding organics, a bad C/N ratio and so on, its these we are often missing, and its these that break the food down in to stable, resistant, plant ready forms.
Using these products ensures that we have both sets if microbes, and so we are to a greater extent, giving ourselves an evolutionary edge, even if we arent sure if the inoculates we are using, contain all the required BM's, its better that not using them imo, they far extend access to minerals, without which we get crap plants
Happy growing
MyFloridaGreen360
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There is a line of veganic supplements, its called BioCanna, kyle kushman should take a shot at a line through one of the significant wholesalers that will be all veganic.
Here are the relevant posts and equations for the veganic producers snappy reference. there is a considerable measure of data on here, so be careful when skimming.
Here are the relevant posts and equations for the veganic producers snappy reference. there is a considerable measure of data on here, so be careful when skimming.
ThaiDuongVisa
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I enjoyed your post, it gave me quite a lot of useful information.
My biobizz out does kylekushmans "vegamatrix" all week month year decade etc. Ill never buy another feed line again....
Considering the volume of peer reviewed publications that show animal biomass has an important role in soil nutrient cycling in the wild (particularly nitrogen), I find this "fact" hard to believe. For example, that leaf litter is eaten by fungi, which in turn is eaten by fungal eating animals such as springtails. Then we have detritivore animals. Plants, fungi, bacteria, and these animals have co-evolved to increase the efficiency of nutrient recycling to benefit all involved. For example, Metarhizium and Beauveria fungal species are insect pathogens that also happen to form intercellular root associations like mycorrhizae. Yeah, they attack and kill living insects to give their processed nutrients directly to plants in exchange for carbon. How cool is that? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4553473/
I would guess my no-till 150 gallon indoor pot has at least a pound or two of living animals in at any one time, and likely more (counting the worms). These guys poop, add chitin, and all their nitrogen and other nutrients are returned when they die. <--- my pot after watering.
As organic growers, we can't be concentrated on only one tropic level because nature is way more complex than that. We don't necessarily have to understand the science behind it if we just let it do its thing. Applying vegan ideology to the extreme when growing plants is a bit silly IMO for that reason.
MustangStudFarm
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Oh man, you are trying to punk on Stow and DonTesla. OMG get the fuck outta here!!! Neither one of these guys are on here anymore and they have WAY more clout than you will ever have on this forum. You are talking about two greats in the organic section. Someone tell this little punk that he needs to sit down when he's in class...
Do you have anything to say about my post or the research paper I provided a link to? I wasn't talking about anyone and I have no idea who Stow and DonTesla are. It wasn't my intention to punk on anyone. I was just sharing my thoughts on this particular subject. I wouldn't mind hearing your thoughts too.
MustangStudFarm
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It's because you are new here.
Irrelevanttwat
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Veganic agriculture utilises plant biomatter and symbiotic microbes and invertebrates to break down organic materials for plant bioavailability. No animal waste like bat guano used because it can promote unhelpful microbes.
Been doing it for decades. Didn't even know you could by BS bottles. DIY so you actually understand the inputs, what and why microlife/invertebrates proliferate, how biomatter is processed into bioavailable nutrients, oxygen exchange etc. Basically a science degree, but that's cool, I have one.
Been doing it for decades. Didn't even know you could by BS bottles. DIY so you actually understand the inputs, what and why microlife/invertebrates proliferate, how biomatter is processed into bioavailable nutrients, oxygen exchange etc. Basically a science degree, but that's cool, I have one.
Irrelevanttwat
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2 year old thread.