Hermie or not!!, what's your thoughts folks.

[megamouthuk]

Not a hermie its nanners.

Huge difference.

I dont know why it bothers me so much that people get that wrong but it does.


And most likely due to your lighting situation.

Your gonna need to fix that if you dont want to keep encountering this.

My lighting situation and the environment is spot on, the reason it threw nanners is i pulled it from a room of flowering plants as i had not taken a cut of this particular pheno so unbeknown to me at that time another plant had pollinated it and the rest too.
it was revegged for about 3-4 weeks, this could have caused the nanners, but either way it's dead, i know what you mean, its not a hermie is the real sense of the word, but of no use to me throwing nanners.
Megamouth

 

[JustBlazin]

Are you avvin a giraffe, i just lost my entire 5 weeks into eight weeks of flowering crop due to pollination of all plants, due to a few nanners, and after all the hard work. down time, dismantling and cleaning my room down i am not going down that route anytime soon, so the trash can got it.
The last fucked up grow yielded me well over 5000+ seeds.
Megamouth

ive had a few nanners plenty of times and have never saw more than a couple seeds a crop, i usually see them and pluck them off but a few times while trimming ive seen an open ball that its nanners had blown, maybe it was sterile or something cause i dont remeber getting more than a couple seeds at any point in my time growing

wow 5000 seeds thats alot
you definitely have to get whatever is causing the herms under control

 

[Aussieaceae]

My lighting situation and the environment is spot on, the reason it threw nanners is i pulled it from a room of flowering plants as i had not taken a cut of this particular pheno so unbeknown to me at that time another plant had pollinated it and the rest too.
it was revegged for about 3-4 weeks, this could have caused the nanners, but either way it's dead, i know what you mean, its not a hermie is the real sense of the word, but of no use to me throwing nanners.
Megamouth

Or...it wasn't anything you did at all and it's a genetic trait, in that particular plant?

If it was a cut, find out from the grower if it happens often.

Phenotype is genetic, regardless of a pheno's specific environment. Hence the reason for variety in each seed, from the same parent / parents.

If your other plants don't grow balls or nanners, would you really put it down to environment? I certainly wouldn't myself.

Hermaphrodite plants are more common than people believe. And they come in many different shapes and sizes.

Won't even start debating the legitimacy of Rhodelization, i'd be wasting my time. It's a made-up cannabroscience term for a start.

99% of me says it was genetic. And that if you took several cuts, then grew them out, at least one cut would hermi again.

Just my 2 cents mate. I think you'll be chasing your tail, trying to find a fault of your own which caused it to happen.

Good luck. All the best.

 

[Aussieaceae]

It was taken from a room early into flower, which all the plants turned out seeded a month or so ago so could have been pollinated and then revegged, so safer to trash or keep.
Megamouth

The pics don't immediately look hermaphrodite to myself either. Certainly suspect though and you have seed as well.

 

[RadicalRoss]

I just posted a very similar thread and the answer I got was that they were swollen preflowers. I was worried because I'd not seen them on the other plants I'd grown before, at least not that size, but I guess it's pretty normal!

 

[Aussieaceae]

I just posted a very similar thread and the answer I got was that they were swollen preflowers. I was worried because I'd not seen them on the other plants I'd grown before, at least not that size, but I guess it's pretty normal!

That's what I see too. Just haven't had female preflowers with stalks like those and I've grown a few.
Looks like a nut, unless there's a seed in there.

Same time I've seen female plants and preflowers on RIU, exhibiting the trait. So I can't say for certain from my own experience.

There's the seeds in it as well. Maybe it was pollen left from the last grow, who knows. I just find it a little hard to believe.
Pollen from last grow is a possibility though, for sure.

 

[RadicalRoss]

Not a hermie its nanners.

Huge difference.

I dont know why it bothers me so much that people get that wrong but it does.


And most likely due to your lighting situation.

Your gonna need to fix that if you dont want to keep encountering this.

Lol Wizz, do you have a filter set up to e-mail you when someone says hermie or something? It never fails when someone posts pics of nanners you're there.

thank you for your service though, it's a good thing to know.

 

[macsnax]

ive had a few nanners plenty of times and have never saw more than a couple seeds a crop, i usually see them and pluck them off but a few times while trimming ive seen an open ball that its nanners had blown, maybe it was sterile or something cause i dont remeber getting more than a couple seeds at any point in my time growing

wow 5000 seeds thats alot
you definitely have to get whatever is causing the herms under control

Often times nanners are sterile.

 

[Aussieaceae]

Lol Wizz, do you have a filter set up to e-mail you when someone says hermie or something? It never fails when someone posts pics of nanners you're there.

thank you for your service though, it's a good thing to know.

Where are the nanners?

Can somebody here point them out?

I see a female preflower on a stem, with a brown pistil and likely a seed inside.

I don't see any bananas, or clusters of nuts. Plus very normal looking calyx everywhere else.

Sorry, just asking. If there's a banana in there, or open pollen sacs, that would be a logical explanation to the seeds.

 

[macsnax]

Or...it wasn't anything you did at all and it's a genetic trait, in that particular plant?

If it was a cut, find out from the grower if it happens often.

Phenotype is genetic, regardless of a pheno's specific environment. Hence the reason for variety in each seed, from the same parent / parents.

If your other plants don't grow balls or nanners, would you really put it down to environment? I certainly wouldn't myself.

Hermaphrodite plants are more common than people believe. And they come in many different shapes and sizes.

Won't even start debating the legitimacy of Rhodelization, i'd be wasting my time. It's a made-up cannabroscience term for a start.

99% of me says it was genetic. And that if you took several cuts, then grew them out, at least one cut would hermi again.

Just my 2 cents mate. I think you'll be chasing your tail, trying to find a fault of your own which caused it to happen.

Good luck. All the best.

You can absolutely put environment as a factor for a plant tossing balls or nanners. Not always the cause, but a lot of times it is. Rhodelization is a real thing too bro. There's breeders that have made fems using this method.

 

[Wizzlebiz]

Lol Wizz, do you have a filter set up to e-mail you when someone says hermie or something? It never fails when someone posts pics of nanners you're there.

thank you for your service though, it's a good thing to know.

I'm just gonna create a template and a auto response.

 

[megamouthuk]

Or...it wasn't anything you did at all and it's a genetic trait, in that particular plant?

If it was a cut, find out from the grower if it happens often.

Phenotype is genetic, regardless of a pheno's specific environment. Hence the reason for variety in each seed, from the same parent / parents.

If your other plants don't grow balls or nanners, would you really put it down to environment? I certainly wouldn't myself.

Hermaphrodite plants are more common than people believe. And they come in many different shapes and sizes.

Won't even start debating the legitimacy of Rhodelization, i'd be wasting my time. It's a made-up cannabroscience term for a start.

99% of me says it was genetic. And that if you took several cuts, then grew them out, at least one cut would hermi again.

Just my 2 cents mate. I think you'll be chasing your tail, trying to find a fault of your own which caused it to happen.

Good luck. All the best.

It was a cut from me the grower who grew from seed and i have only done one grow with it full of seeds, now i will try again with a cut i have of it, but if its looking dodgy its getting binned, very informative reply, cheers fella.
megamouth.

 

[megamouthuk]

Often times nanners are sterile.

Not taking that risk.
megamouth

 

[megamouthuk]

Where are the nanners?

Can somebody here point them out?

I see a female preflower on a stem, with a brown pistil and likely a seed inside.

I don't see any bananas, or clusters of nuts. Plus very normal looking calyx everywhere else.

Sorry, just asking. If there's a banana in there, or open pollen sacs, that would be a logical explanation to the seeds.

 

[Aussieaceae]

You can absolutely put environment as a factor for a plant tossing balls or nanners. Not always the cause, but a lot of times it is. Rhodelization is a real thing too bro. There's breeders that have made fems using this method.

Ok but that doesn't explain why some won't hermi at all.

Maybe Rhodelization is a thing. But unstable feminized seeds are too. There's gotta be a really good reason for stress testing and using sts or cs as the preferred method?
If not for stability and consistency in the genes, then what for?

Maybe a way of looking at it, would be does Rhodelization require a specific environment? And do some plants "rhodelize" more easily than others?
I would assume yes to both.

Imvho many growers / breeders blame the grower for hermaphrodite plants. That's just flat out the wrong first assumption to make.
Awfully convenient excuse for a supplier to blame the grower, for a few nanners too, if a customer's complaining.

 

[Aussieaceae]

Nice, gotcha, yep.

Good eye. Good call.

 

[RadicalRoss]

Where are the nanners?

Can somebody here point them out?

I see a female preflower on a stem, with a brown pistil and likely a seed inside.

I don't see any bananas, or clusters of nuts. Plus very normal looking calyx everywhere else.

Sorry, just asking. If there's a banana in there, or open pollen sacs, that would be a logical explanation to the seeds.

There are no nanners in the pic OP posted. We were talking about some pics in a reply with nanners, which the replier had called a hermie.

 

[Aussieaceae]

There are no nanners in the pic OP posted. We were talking about some pics in a reply with nanners, which the replier had called a hermie.

OP circled them two posts above.

 

[RadicalRoss]

OP circled them two posts above.

Ope! Missed that, thanks.

 

[macsnax]

Ok but that doesn't explain why some won't hermi at all.

Maybe Rhodelization is a thing. But unstable feminized seeds are too. There's gotta be a really good reason for stress testing and using sts or cs as the preferred method?
If not for stability and consistency in the genes, then what for?

Maybe a way of looking at it, would be does Rhodelization require a specific environment? And do some plants "rhodelize" more easily than others?
I would assume yes to both.

Imvho many growers / breeders blame the grower for hermaphrodite plants. That's just flat out the wrong first assumption to make.
Awfully convenient excuse for a supplier to blame the grower, for a few nanners too, if a customer's complaining.

Different plants, different stress triggers. Just like people, one thing may bother you, but not the next person. Rhodelizatin isn't a great way to mass produce seeds either, cs and sts produce more pollen. But it's still limited, one of the main reasons fems cost more. There's not as many seeds being made with little work. Rhodelization can be found in nature too. If a plant finishes out the season without receiving pollen it will likely pollinate itself in a last ditch effort to continue life...... I will give you that one. I've seen breeders go overboard with blame on growers. But I've also seen a lot of growers that think they run a tight ship, but don't know half as much as what they think they do. It goes both ways.