Should Trump be prosecuted after leaving office?

DIY-HP-LED

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Those documents won't be redacted for long and pardons for bribes is very serious stuff. So I wonder how all these pardons and talk of them is gonna help the republicans in Georgia? Most of these racist assholes don't give a shit about anything, but perhaps if more of this shit keeps getting dropped and pardons are granted to cronies and family, it might peel off a couple of percent support, but these people were fine with treason, lies and gross incompetence.
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Justice Department investigating potential presidential pardon bribery scheme, court records reveal - CNNPolitics

Justice Department investigating potential presidential pardon bribery scheme, court records reveal

(CNN)The Justice Department is investigating a potential crime related to funneling money to the White House or related political committee in exchange for a presidential pardon, according to court records unsealed Tuesday in federal court.

The case is the latest legal twist in the waning days of President Donald Trump's administration after several of his top advisers have been convicted of federal criminal charges and as the possibility rises of Trump giving pardons to those who've been loyal to him.

The disclosure is in 20 pages of partially redacted documents made public by the DC District Court on Tuesday afternoon. The records show Chief Judge Beryl Howell's review in August of a request from prosecutors to access documents obtained in a search as part of a bribery-for-pardon investigation.

The filings don't reveal a timeline of the alleged scheme, or any names of people potentially involved, except that communications between people including at least one lawyer were seized from an office that was raided sometime before the end of this summer.

No one appears to have been publicly charged with a related crime to date.

At the end of this summer, a filter team, used to make sure prosecutors don't receive tainted evidence that should have been kept from them because it was privileged, had more than 50 digital devices including iPhones, iPads, laptops, thumb drives and computer drives after investigators raided the unidentified offices.

Prosecutors told the court they wanted permission to the filter team's holdings. The prosecutors believed the devices revealed emails that showed allegedly criminal activity, including a "secret lobbying scheme" and a bribery conspiracy that offered "a substantial political contribution in exchange for a presidential pardon or reprieve of sentence" for a convicted defendant whose name is redacted, according to the redacted documents.

Communications between attorneys and clients are typically privileged and kept from prosecutors as they build their cases, but in this situation, Howell allowed the prosecutors access. Attorney-client communications are not protected as privileged under the law when there is discussion of a crime, among other exceptions.

"The political strategy to obtain a presidential pardon was 'parallel' to and distinct from [redacted]'s role as an attorney-advocate for [redacted name]," Howell wrote in her court order.

The grand jury investigation also appears to relate to unnamed people acting as unregistered "lobbyists to senior White House officials" as they sought to secure a pardon and use an intermediary to send a bribe, the unsealed court records say.

Prosecutors hadn't provided evidence to the judge, however, of any direct payment, and instead showed evidence that a person was seeking clemency because of past and future political contributions.
The investigators indicated in court that they intended to "confront" three people with the communications and complete their investigation.

Over the last week, the Justice Department told Howell it wanted to keep filings related to the matter confidential in court, because "individuals and conduct" hadn't yet been charged.
 

captainmorgan

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Barr’s DOJ filed a motion demanding an “immediate” dismissal of Flynn’s case based on Trump’s (likely corrupt) pardon. Chief Judge Howell promptly releases legal documents (OVER BARR’S OBJECTION) disclosing a long-term bribery-for-pardon investigation. Coincidence?
 

printer

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Trump, Kushner, White House sued by watchdog to prevent illegal deletion of official emails, WhatsApp messages

A government watchdog group is suing President Trump, his son-in-law and adviser Jared Kushner and the White House to prevent the deletion of official emails and WhatsApp messages before they can be archived.

The Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW), among other plaintiffs, filed a lawsuit Tuesday in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. The lawsuit accuses the president and the White House of violating the Presidential Records Act (PRA) by not correctly preserving records of official government business.

CREW and the other plaintiffs that collect presidential records argue that the White House’s preservation policy allows for important information to slip through the cracks and not be saved. They also said the president has “planned or executed destruction” of records without notifying the archivist or Congress as required by law.

 

rkymtnman

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So Barr makes his public statement saying that they haven't found any election fraud. Why would he want to get fired?

Maybe b/c he knows the shit is gonna hit the fan with the bribe for pardon scheme being brought to light? He wants to distance himself from that.

So it's Flynn, Stone or the Thanksgiving turkey that offered the bribe? Place your bets!! I'll go with Flynn. Stone has known Trump for much longer and he already knew he was getting commuted/pardoned long ago.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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So Barr makes his public statement saying that they haven't found any election fraud. Why would he want to get fired?

Maybe b/c he knows the shit is gonna hit the fan with the bribe for pardon scheme being brought to light? He wants to distance himself from that.

So it's Flynn, Stone or the Thanksgiving turkey that offered the bribe? Place your bets!! I'll go with Flynn. Stone has known Trump for much longer and he already knew he was getting commuted/pardoned long ago.
Whoever wanted the pardon is serving federal time and has cash. Barr just said publicly what he wrote weeks ago, Barr has experience writing Iran Contra pardons, so it's unlikely Trump will turf him until he checks over the pardons he has lined up. I didn't think Donald would pardon anybody who could be a witness against him, he must be planning a self pardon. I don't think Pence will give him one and I'm surprised Donald isn't freaking out on him, I guess death threats don't work for a VP. Jesus and Pence are the only ones who can save Trump, Pence is his only way out and Pence appears to be keeping his distance. Donald appears too nervous and desperate for the fix to be in with Pence made king for a day.

Stone had his sentence commuted, but he should be due for a pardon too, there are other things they can go after Roger for. I understand Roger is behind some of the trouble in Georgia and talk of a boycotting the senate election unless they steal it for Trump, after they certified it for Biden! One can only hope all this bullshit with the election and pardons (why not wait until after the runoffs), it will cost them those two senate seats. Mitch cannot be happy about this shit storm, he knows it will cost them a couple of percent at the polls in January and he might lose his majority over it.
 
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rkymtnman

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Barr Appoints Durham as Special Counsel to Continue Probe under Biden
The article says that this will make it harder for Biden to fire Durham in January. I dont' understand why though? The article doesn't go into it either.
 

corncob ghetto

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She is smart, but is she a lawyer? Experience as a prosecutor? She would merely provide a narrative for right wing media and become another Hillary with a decade of hate and lies thrown against her. If she was caught jay walking, Lindsey would hold a years worth of senate hearings on it and it would become a national scandal of biblical proportions amid cries of "lock her up"!
Fucking bartender are you fucking kidding me?? If you think that bitch is smart we are fucked alright..
 

hanimmal

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Fucking bartender are you fucking kidding me?? If you think that bitch is smart we are fucked alright..
So you think the old guy version of Paris Hilton was more qualified?

At least she has held a real job, and worked to earn a degree with high marks without a silver spoon in her mouth. Ran and won a seat in congress.
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I do think she needs more experience, but I think you are wrong about her not being smart.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Section 230 needs a relook and some changes, but it is generally ok, perhaps regulate social media over a certain size and a few other minor changes. This rule was written in the early days of the internet and should be looked at again, by an expert panel, we know much more about it's social effects now. Donald wants to muzzle those who say bad things about him, I have no issue as long as they speak the truth, and honestly, there is nothing good to say about Donald. Muzzle his old propaganda platform or the military gets it!

Donald wants to get away with the crime of the century and his entire focus is on that, his only tools are threats and intimidation and that is starting to fail as his real power fades day by day.
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Let's talk about Trump's promised veto....
 

DIY-HP-LED

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49 days until 44 is gone, if he is not indicted with in 60 days, there's something up. If they are leaving him loose it would be a nightmare for Mitch and if they convict him, the democrats might want to impeach him to keep him from running in 2024. If they don't impeach him he might run from prison and win, to 75 million Americans it would make no difference if Donald was running from prison as a convict for multiple felonies. The next republican nominee must promise Donald a pardon to get the nomination, if Donald doesn't run himself, or make Donald his VP pick. Nobody rides the elephant even, if Donald is in prison, impeachment would prevent him from holding any federal office. Perhaps the democrats won't impeach Trump for this reason, to fuck over the republican party and Mitch, but if Mitch convicted him in an impeachment trial, it wouldn't go good for them in 2022. I figure after 4 years of prison Donald will be in rough shape, if he's still alive. They created a monster with Donald and now the monster is consuming them.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I was on Foxnews, to have a look at the content, there was no sign of this video on the front page, no ads on Foxnews either unless you want them, their message is more important than profit.
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Foxnews is spun out of all recognition and is an alternative reality, but not dishonest enough for many who want outright lies, not mere spinning, or content bias Politics | Fox News

No sign of this news maker video on the site, I'm sure it was there for a short while and it is probably buried on the site somewhere. I'm sure showing that video from Georgia would cost them millions of viewers who would switch to newsmax or OAN. I remember foxnews showed pictures of a couple of armed black guys in front of a polling station a few years back, they labeled them black panthers and showed the picture hundreds of times over the course of a month, just so you know one of Fox's tricks for spinning reality.
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Georgia Election official Gabriel Sterling calls for President Trump to condemn threats
 
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corncob ghetto

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She graduated Magna cum laude at her university, translation, she's really smart and proved it. What have you done to prove how smart you are?
To many degrees to stoop to your level of ignorance. Go back to your mama basement .. p.s I didn't vote for trump.. just know stupid when I read it..
 

topcat

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Holy Shit! Not entirely unexpected, but...holy shit, this is the prezydint of the yoonited shates!


Edit: I'm just past half way and this man is insane, seriously!
 
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