Trump's pardons, what it means for them

DIY-HP-LED

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Expert legal opinion, think of the implications of these clowns losing their right to self incrimination.
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Does Trump's Pardon of Flynn Mean Flynn Can Be Forced to Testify? It's Complicated.

The prevailing wisdom is that once someone's pardoned, they lose their Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination and can be compelled or forced to testify against others.

HOWEVER, as with everything with the law, there's a fair amount of wriggle room impacting that question. Here's how that wriggle room may come into play regarding Trump's pardons.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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No one can be forced or compelled to say anything, anytime. Barring torture, since I'm watching Game of Thrones for the first time.
They can stick you in a jail cell (not a prison one, that's nicer) until you squawk, it's called contempt and each time your sentence is up, they will drag you back for another refusal to talk, repeat as required. You have a pardon though and are home free, fuck them, cause yer that kinda guy and won't do a day for Donald or anybody else. :wink:
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Glenn is gonna be covering pardons in some detail for a spell and I or others can post his videos here, or anything else related to pardons from reliable or expert sources. Almost all the constitutional issues around pardons are about the be settled in the coming year.
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Federal Judge Walton Discusses in Open Court How Judge Emmet Sullivan Might Challenge Flynn Pardon

DC Federal District Court Judge Reggie Walton is presiding over Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) litigation regarding the Mueller Report. In that capacity, Judge Walton discussed in open court on Friday how his colleague on the DC Federal Court, Judge Emmet Sullivan, might challenge Donald Trump's pardon of Mike Flynn.

Having appeared as a federal prosecutor before both Judge Walton and Judge Sullivan, I can attest to how these two jurists are entirely dedicated to the rule of law and the integrity of the criminal justice system and the federal judiciary. Moreover, it looks like they will have the courage to challenge potentially corruptly issued presidential pardons, whether or not there is precedent for such a challenge.
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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What a fucking joke, said for the base only, won't happen. The republicans want Trump in prison more than the democrats, count on it, they want Trumpism, not trump. Nothing Lindsey does will stop the SDNY indicting individual #1, but perhaps Donald will disband the SDNY and fire everybody including the janitor.
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Lindsey Graham Says Senate Will NOT Confirm Any Biden AG Nominee Who Will Investigate Trump's Crimes

In a staggering abuse of office, Senator Lindsey Graham tells Fox network's Sean Hannity that the Senate will not confirm any Attorney General nominated by Joe Biden if that nominee says he/she will continue to investigate possible crimes committed by Donald Trump. There is a term for someone who knows a crime has been committed against the United States and attempts to shield the perpetrator from accountability: Accessory After the Fact, 18 United States Code section 3.Here's what it all means . . .
 
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MICHI-CAN

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I say squeeze them till the mud runs out their backside. No where to hide now. And an appointed attorney general is irrelevant. Use the existing justice department to squeeze all these criminal bastards trying to hide their own crimes. Stop listening to corporate media. Demand equal protection under the law. Not favoritism in the justice system and criminals diversions. 4 years of frump and still being diverted? Just saying.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I say squeeze them till the mud runs out their backside. No where to hide now. And an appointed attorney general is irrelevant. Use the existing justice department to squeeze all these criminal bastards trying to hide their own crimes. Stop listening to corporate media. Demand equal protection under the law. Not favoritism in the justice system and criminals diversions. 4 years of frump and still being diverted? Just saying.
They are soft selling prosecuting Trump, his base is stupid and they don't want to get them worked up defending the great leader and show up to vote in Georgia. If the democrats attack Trump, they will unite against a common foe, let them fight amongst themselves and rip the republican party in Georgia apart. Let Donald continue to tell his base the election is rigged, indeed add the second part, "so don't even bother to vote", they will turn on Trump after the election anyway! That is why Joe is taking his time with the AG pick and why I think he might pick a patriotic former republican fire breather, let Lindsey deal with that one!

"Senator I will not answer any questions concerning future DOJ decisions I have not yet reviewed. However I have reviewed your conduct in the Georgia election and I believe it warrants future investigation for federal election crimes and so you need to recuse yourself from this hearing, since it concerns possible criminal indictments against yourself and you clearly have a conflict of interest.

I figure that's the way to handle Lindsey and I'm not even a lawyer...
 

MICHI-CAN

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They are soft selling prosecuting Trump, his base is stupid and they don't want to get them worked up defending the great leader and show up to vote in Georgia. If the democrats attack Trump, they will unite against a common foe, let them fight amongst themselves and rip the republican party in Georgia apart. Let Donald continue to tell his base the election is rigged, indeed add the second part, "so don't even bother to vote", they will turn on Trump after the election anyway! That is why Joe is taking his time with the AG pick and why I think he might pick a patriotic former republican fire breather, let Lindsey deal with that one!

"Senator I will not answer any questions concerning future DOJ decisions I have not yet reviewed. However I have reviewed your conduct in the Georgia election and I believe it warrants future investigation for federal election crimes and so you need to recuse yourself from this hearing, since it concerns possible criminal indictments against yourself and you clearly have a conflict of interest.

I figure that's the way to handle Lindsey and I'm not even a lawyer...
It's scary to prosecute people for the same laws you break though. Why we don't " use the justice system against our political rivals" BS we have been fed for years.

Once again we need to enforce the laws. Not interpret or practice discretion. I got a mandatory sentence. Equal justice my ass. I believe you are being mislead. A few wanna make a name state AG's will pursue him. That's it. Same old corportacrisy. Or same criminals avoiding the truth.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I say squeeze them till the mud runs out their backside. No where to hide now. And an appointed attorney general is irrelevant. Use the existing justice department to squeeze all these criminal bastards trying to hide their own crimes. Stop listening to corporate media. Demand equal protection under the law. Not favoritism in the justice system and criminals diversions. 4 years of frump and still being diverted? Just saying.
I figure when the new AG is installed, he should call back a few thousand retired FBI agents (the cream of the crop who retired or resigned in the past 2 years) to investigate every bit of crime and corruption that Trump and the republicans have committed. Investigate, Mitch and his wife for corruption and other crimes, indict Lindsey not just for election crimes, charge him along with Trump and any one else involved with conspiracy. They declared war on the United States and it's constitution, they should feel the effects of that war and start taking mass causalities, they been skating along for free. Make em sweat, destroy them, go after them like they were old time commies, the country is divided and no matter what they or their supporters say, judges hear cases if there is one and juries convict by unanimous votes based on the evidence. It's not up to the democrats, any more than it was up to the republicans, it is up to the courts, they better learn to live with it.

Even if they end up indicting 2,000 of them with congressmen and senators among them. Those two republicans senators from Georgia can be indicted for stock trading on inside info, indict them, whether they win or lose their runoff elections. If the republicans lose the senate, it should be ten times worse as their entire electoral advantages are wiped away with HR1 on steroids and statehood for Puerto Rico and DC. Next go after the disinformation network the feeds this bullshit, regulate cable TV and large social media companies over a certain size threshold, put them under FCC control and change the rules they operate under. Next reassign the AM broadcast band to digital use and the serpents voice will be silenced in millions of rural 1/2 tons. Hold public hearing about it all, follow the law and constitution, but use the law as a bludgeon, as they do and beat them badly with it, so badly that anybody thinking about trying to pull off this bullshit again will think good and fucking hard.

If they say the republicans will only go after democrats if they get in, I say fine, the democrats better make sure they are as clean as a cat's asshole, America wins. I'd even think about declaring the republican party a terrorist organization, if the evidence proved it according to the law, I think there's even a good chance of pulling it off. Why not? They have done everything they can to destroy the country and it's constitution and their future intentions are obvious. Public officials swear an oath to protect and defend the constitution of the United States, these people have and are making war upon the nation and it's constitution. The Bible says, you will know them by their actions, their deeds have spoken for them.

I alternate between a subtitle approach and a full frontal assault, depending on my mood (I'm a little pissed right now), but to ignore this or take half measures is to fail in their oaths and imperil the country, perhaps destroy it. This is not politics, this is political war, they declared and have been attacking the constitution for some time now, Trump made it explicit. It does not matter what 75 million moral failures think, the are incapable of rational thought anyway, but I do believe if you imprison enough of Trump's administration and as many republicans as you can lay hands upon, you will knock 20 million of them off the bandwagon.

This is not just a real and present danger, it is an existential threat, act inside the law and the constitution and if you win the senate that ability will be multiplied many times fold. Next election you can start with a level playing field and thousands of republicans and Trump cronies in prison, judges hear cases and juries convict, that's how the constitution works, make it work.
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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It's scary to prosecute people for the same laws you break though. Why we don't " use the justice system against our political rivals" BS we have been fed for years.

Once again we need to enforce the laws. Not interpret or practice discretion. I got a mandatory sentence. Equal justice my ass. I believe you are being mislead. A few wanna make a name state AG's will pursue him. That's it. Same old corportacrisy. Or same criminals avoiding the truth.
Fuck I'm a Canadian, imagine what I'd be like if I were an Goddamned American! :lol:
 

DIY-HP-LED

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So what has Trump done that's so illegal?
We'll let the courts decide that, it should be quite entertaining.
I don't have the time to make a list, it would be a long one. He did publicly commit several federal and state election crimes in the past couple of weeks though, and the list is growing longer every day. I guess he doesn't need to pardon anybody, including Flynn, or Rudy or his family or quite a few others too, including one fellow who tried to buy one.

I guess Trump never killed enough American citizens for you? Donald is a sociopath with a professionally assessed IQ of 78, it's hard for folks to admit they are in the thrall of a moron, it must be embarrassing as Hell.
 

RosinNikko

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We'll let the courts decide that, it should be quite entertaining.
I don't have the time to make a list, it would be a long one. He did publicly commit several federal and state election crimes in the past couple of weeks though, and the list is growing longer every day. I guess he doesn't need to pardon anybody, including Flynn, or Rudy or his family or quite a few others too, including one fellow who tried to buy one.

I guess Trump never killed enough American citizens for you? Donald is a sociopath with a professionally assessed IQ of 78, it's hard for folks to admit they are in the thrall of a moron, it must be embarrassing as Hell.
Wait you talking about Covid? LOL you watch to much CNN my friend. What about the 39million who got covid and lived? Maybe if you reserched on your own instead of being a Sheep and see that covid as the SINGLE sorce of death is less than 20k. Flu last year took more people. Stop playing political games with a virus lol
I would bet a large sum of money the Don is smarter than you. Lol
 

RosinNikko

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We'll let the courts decide that, it should be quite entertaining.
I don't have the time to make a list, it would be a long one. He did publicly commit several federal and state election crimes in the past couple of weeks though, and the list is growing longer every day. I guess he doesn't need to pardon anybody, including Flynn, or Rudy or his family or quite a few others too, including one fellow who tried to buy one.

I guess Trump never killed enough American citizens for you? Donald is a sociopath with a professionally assessed IQ of 78, it's hard for folks to admit they are in the thrall of a moron, it must be embarrassing as Hell.
Pardoned Flynn cause the whole Russia shit was a total Witch Hunt lol Gonna have a lot of sad Commies come Jan 6th lol
 

RosinNikko

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We'll let the courts decide that, it should be quite entertaining.
I don't have the time to make a list, it would be a long one. He did publicly commit several federal and state election crimes in the past couple of weeks though, and the list is growing longer every day. I guess he doesn't need to pardon anybody, including Flynn, or Rudy or his family or quite a few others too, including one fellow who tried to buy one.

I guess Trump never killed enough American citizens for you? Donald is a sociopath with a professionally assessed IQ of 78, it's hard for folks to admit they are in the thrall of a moron, it must be embarrassing as Hell.
So lets see your list. Lol
Yet the Biden family is spotless............lolololololol
 

DIY-HP-LED

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So lets see your list. Lol
Yet the Biden family is spotless............lolololololol
So I see yer sneaking in late at night and leaving bullshit on the threads, great! Trumpers have been so rare around here we are beginning to cherish them. Us liberals just fight among ourselves unless we have something useful to set our minds against.

BTW: Liberal means those who promote and defend liberty, liberty means freedom under the constitution and the rule of law. Liberals defend the constitution from traitors and moral failures such as yourself. :wink:
 
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