Do you count flowering from 12/12 switch or when you see pistil hairs?

Humboldtcalikidd

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flowering begins from the day you switch the lights to 12/12...case closed....who the fuck would count from when u see pistels???.... your already 2-3 weeks into flowering when you see pistels... so whats it called when you switch the lights to 12/12?....pre-flower stage??? LOL...when you take into account how long a plants flowering stage is you should include every aspect; the stretch, how long it takes to show signs, how long till harvest, everything... i had an LA CHEESE last grow that showed signs of sex the day after i went 12/12 but flowered as long as the blue venom and other strains...i guess its up to the grower when you consider flowering to start but if your having a conversation about flowering and you start talking about flowering the day you seen pistels ur gonna sound like a full on rookie...
I would say it’s transitional stage, just like from clone to veg. I think the best way to clear this up would be what do you feed your plants and at what times. That would be the case for me. I use vegging notes all through stretch. And I know a lot of other people do to.
 
Can we get a freakin answer from top Seedbanks on this subject please. This topic is driving me nuts.........

Needs to be like making a vanilla cake for peats sake....time, duration, degree etc....on the FREAKIN mark......
Breeders won't respond because its illegal for most to sell as cultivars thats why they sell as souvenirs they should make it more clear though ive been growing for 23 years & always had that problem & if you go by breeders recommendations than you would mark your calendar once you start to see hairs starting to form than you start your flowering schedule hope this helps do a test run your next grow & count the days from first signs of hairs & never go by breeders recommendations thats a guideline you have to remember the bigger the plant the longer it will take to mature plus breeder specs goes by if you have a 100% flawless grow setup much ✌
 

Mmcary82

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The thecnically right way to count flowering is to do it when it first shows pistils after switching 12/12. Because it's not technically flowering befor that so why count it as flowering? If anything after you switch 12/12 but has not showed pistils you can call is pre-flower or transition period.
Don’t muddy the waters. After the flip it’s day one week one of “flowering.” End of story. Personal preferences of when to start count of flowering cycle only confuse people and it also Varys...if you want to try a technique and someone says day 21 of flower, it’s 21 days after the flip. This is the only definite timeline growers can go by unless your talking about a specific cut of a strain you have intimate knowledge on.
 

m99smith

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Don’t muddy the waters. After the flip it’s day one week one of “flowering.” End of story. Personal preferences of when to start count of flowering cycle only confuse people and it also Varys...if you want to try a technique and someone says day 21 of flower, it’s 21 days after the flip. This is the only definite timeline growers can go by unless your talking about a specific cut of a strain you have intimate knowledge on.
Actually your wrong just think of it this way how do we count how many days that a tomato or beans have been blooming? When we see the fruit start growing not when there is ONLY a change in the light cycle outside, weed isn't any different when coming to bloom. The change of the light cycle just tells that plant to start flowering. So technically no your wrong if you were to get ask a Botanist (plant scientist) they would say its when you see the pisils showing after the flip to 12/12.
 

Cvntcrusher

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I mark both. In my calendar I mark day of flip. When quite a few pistils appear I call it day 1 of flowering.

Also, all 4 of my photos im currently running are in week 7 since sprout still being vegged. And they all have pistils showing pretty heavy.

I'm assuming this is just the plant showing me its mature and female.
 

Mmcary82

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Actually your wrong just think of it this way how do we count how many days that a tomato or beans have been blooming? When we see the fruit start growing not when there is ONLY a change in the light cycle outside, weed isn't any different when coming to bloom. The change of the light cycle just tells that plant to start flowering. So technically no your wrong if you were to get ask a Botanist (plant scientist) they would say its when you see the pisils showing after the flip to 12/12.
People can chime in all they like but that doesn’t change the fact that after the flip is day one week one of flowering. That is the count that we go by because that date doesn’t change. Every strain is different but day one week one is the same. Does that mean the plant is flowering on day one week one, no obvious signs. So when you knock your ol lady up do you consider her “pregnant” when you find out 3 weeks later or the day she/he was conceived. You go by the conceived date..
 

Doug Dawson

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All this silliness about counting weeks and people being so passionate defending their stance. Personally I get the confusion. Seed companies give you the smallest window they can since everyone wants the fastest return. Your plants don't give a rats ass what week it is, they don't read breeder claims and they don't look at the calendar. Call each week what you want, it's not relevant. When you flip your plants go through a transition, they are not flowering but rather transitioning into the flower phase, this is when the big stretch starts. Now if you want to consider flowering to start when the stretch is over and flowers start to show than do that. If you want to consider flowering to start as soon as you change the light cycle than do that. The plants don't care. They will flower until they are done and the flowers ripen. Follow breeders claims and you will likely chop early. Follow nutrient companies claims and you will likely over feed your plants. Here is an idea for all to try. Feed your plants according to their needs and not a chart. Chop your plants when the plants show they are done, not by the calendar. If you do that you will end up with great plants. Good luck growers, may your harvests be amazing.
 

Dreaming1

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The problem is the "farming" mindset. I control shit. I do a,b,c, I kill it, and I am amazing. Never mind what the natural cycles are, I want what I want. The finishing times listed by breeders are windows. And that info is very helpful to new growers. I should wait so many weeks and then my plants should be "done." It should be listed from changing the light cycle. That is the "event" in the human perception. The plant has its own angle on reality. All driven by money. You're spending it to run inside. So, yield,finish times, and the like "matter." Outside, you wait for fall. It's more physical costs. Rambling on...sorry. Just say the time starts at light cycle switch, be honest about time windows for finishing, and realize that just because we say words and all agree that those words are amazing and correct, doesn't make it be the Truth. Just words.
 

m99smith

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People can chime in all they like but that doesn’t change the fact that after the flip is day one week one of flowering. That is the count that we go by because that date doesn’t change. Every strain is different but day one week one is the same. Does that mean the plant is flowering on day one week one, no obvious signs. So when you knock your ol lady up do you consider her “pregnant” when you find out 3 weeks later or the day she/he was conceived. You go by the conceived date..
Lol your comparing plants to people it dosnt work that way. You can call after switching to 12/12 day one of flower all you want. I don't care how you count the days, but technically it isn't flowering untill it starts showing pistils. But either way if you count from the day you switch 12/12 or from when pistils show, the plant will be done at the same time as long as you don't chop early.
 

Mmcary82

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I explained in great detail on page 10 of this thread why day one week one is after the flip. People chiming in, muddying the water doesn’t help the new guy. For the new guy learning, the best day to count is after the flip. The transition period, stretch period, pre flower, bud set, flower, ripening and flush was all included. For a new guy that is scogging and wanted to try a technique like heavy defoliation, he needs to go off of a consistent timeline..it’s recommended to shwazz day 21 of flower which is at the end of the stretch period which coincides with after the flip very well for most indoor strains..now to muddy the water and have him count until bud set 21 days?? The stretch is long over and you missed your window and you most likely hurt your yield.
 

bk78

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People can chime in all they like but that doesn’t change the fact that after the flip is day one week one of flowering. That is the count that we go by because that date doesn’t change. Every strain is different but day one week one is the same. Does that mean the plant is flowering on day one week one, no obvious signs. So when you knock your ol lady up do you consider her “pregnant” when you find out 3 weeks later or the day she/he was conceived. You go by the conceived date..
I’ll knock ur ol lady up, then let me know when she’s fully ripe and we will compare ok?
 

Mmcary82

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Recommended by who?
The timing of that technique is very important and if you do it too late, it hurts yields..I have had very good success with it scrogging.. There are many benefits not just yield, but helps humidity levels at the canopy level as well as air circulation around the tightly compacted bud sites, it helps with light penetration into the canopy etc..for the strains that take to this stress it is very beneficial and timing is crucial because it can stunt growth if done too late.
 

bk78

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The timing of that technique is very important and if you do it too late, it hurts yields..I have had very good success with it scrogging.. There are many benefits not just yield, but helps humidity levels at the canopy level as well as air circulation around the tightly compacted bud sites, it helps with light penetration into the canopy etc..for the strains that take to this stress it is very beneficial and timing is crucial because it can stunt growth if done too late.
Stripping your plants of every leaf hurts yields too. Only people I see practicing this shit is IG noobs. Stop giving awful information

thanks.
 

bk78

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The timing of that technique is very important and if you do it too late, it hurts yields..I have had very good success with it scrogging.. There are many benefits not just yield, but helps humidity levels at the canopy level as well as air circulation around the tightly compacted bud sites, it helps with light penetration into the canopy etc..for the strains that take to this stress it is very beneficial and timing is crucial because it can stunt growth if done too late.
Here’s a topic right up your alley


Sounds like you need to get your environmental in check to me instead of stripping your plants :eyesmoke:
 

Doug Dawson

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Your a funny guy..Day one, week one of flowering is after the flip though. No one can debate that. Flowering cycle has stages. What stage you consider is irrelevant.
Please show us your grow using your strip the plant technique. It must be amazing since you seem to feel you know all and everyone else's knowledge is wrong in your eyes. We await you're photos.
 
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