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hanimmal

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8 people were arrested. Their names are published and nobody is saying they were boogaloo or PB. I'm pretty sure we would already know if they were.


You posted an earlier article where right wing nut jobs were set up to protest a Texas mosque or Muslim cultural center and the people listed as the organizers turned out to be a Russian organization. I don't know who set up this rally in Portland so it's hard to say what happened here.

I think the message is that they don't think anything changed when Biden took office. Surely you don't think that cops will stop brutalizing Black people just because we have a different old white man in the WH? Mayor Ted Wheeler, a Democrat, is asking state legislators to give him tougher laws to use against protesters. So, maybe they are right on that.

Using tougher laws to crack down on people who are protesting police brutality is a contradiction. Start addressing police brutality.
'The message' from whom?

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Yeah they don't look like a bunch of would be school shooters brainwashed by online trolls.

I don't know why you didn't point out that the muslim side of that rally was also organized by the Russian military.

That is something I also did not see in the book you linked 'the Disinformation age'. It is completely (so far that I have seen anyways) devoid of the attack that is simultaneously going on with the people that don't align with the right wing hate groups. Just like these idiots are snowballed into thinking 'both sides' propaganda, the problem is that they are buying into the big lies.

But to the troll that brutalizing black people because of a different old white man, I would point to Trump's clearing peaceful lawful protestors with federal goons to take a photo op as a big clue that shit is not the same.

It is almost like nobody listened to the speech Biden gave that actually was the first I think in history to call out the white supremacists and hate groups that we know have infiltrated every level of our government especially our law enforcement.
 

Fogdog

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'The message' from whom?

I don't know why you didn't point out that the muslim side of that rally was also organized by the Russian military.

That is something I also did not see in the book you linked 'the Disinformation age'. It is completely (so far that I have seen anyways) devoid of the attack that is simultaneously going on with the people that don't align with the right wing hate groups. Just like these idiots are snowballed into thinking 'both sides' propaganda, the problem is that they are buying into the big lies.

But to the troll that brutalizing black people because of a different old white man, I would point to Trump's clearing peaceful lawful protestors with federal goons to take a photo op as a big clue that shit is not the same.

It is almost like nobody listened to the speech Biden gave that actually was the first I think in history to call out the white supremacists and hate groups that we know have infiltrated every level of our government especially our law enforcement.
Are you saying that all protests in the US are due to Russian agitation? There is no evidence that the protest was organized by Russians and there is no evidence that the property damage was due to anybody other than antifa.

Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar. Reading the little that has been written on this protest, I'm going with the simplest explanation, which is: local group mobilized on inauguration day to say nothing has changed as far as police brutality is concerned. Yep, they are a undisciplined group and they consider breaking windows and vandalizing property part of their protest. I don't agree with the property damage but I'm not going to apologize for them or judge them.

I support the demand that Portland deal with it's problem with fascist cops. As we saw on Jan 6, fascist cops represent a much larger danger to people and our country. So, yeah, let's fix this.
 

hanimmal

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Are you saying that all protests in the US are due to Russian agitation?
Are you pretending like every single American who is online has not been attacked by the propaganda attack the Russian military has been conducting on us?

There is no evidence that the protest was organized by Russians and there is no evidence that the property damage was due to anybody other than antifa.
I disagree. But I also look at Trump's actions as a direct result of the Russian trolling attack on our nation. Do you?

Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar.
Sure.

Reading the little that has been written on this protest, I'm going with the simplest explanation, which is: local group mobilized on inauguration day to say nothing has changed as far as police brutality is concerned. Yep, they are a undisciplined group and they consider breaking windows and vandalizing property part of their protest. I don't agree with the property damage but I'm not going to apologize for them or judge them.
I am curious why you are disregarding the attack that has been going on in our nation. Do you not think that these people are being spooned the same old big lies to get them all riled up?

I support the demand that Portland deal with it's problem with fascist cops. As we saw on Jan 6, fascist cops represent a much larger danger to people and our country. So, yeah, let's fix this.
I support the demand for every police force deal with the very real problem of 'fascist' cops. But let's not allow the same bullshit stretching of the truth that they do on Fox news/right wing propaganda to pretend like the issue is anything other than what it is.

That is why people become vulnerable to the bullshit branding that is going on in this thread.

I don't find it a coincidence that you guys have Russians pushing these protests in Portland (the Trump car rally, and the little propagandist that was arrested in DC) that turn violent. Just like I don't think it is a coincidence that the Russian military has been attacking our police for years too with the very same attack.

If you really want to help fix this problem, I would suggest realizing that ignoring the very real military that is attacking all these people that are being brought up in this discussion is not very helpful at all.

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Fogdog

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Are you pretending like every single American who is online has not been attacked by the propaganda attack the Russian military has been conducting on us?


I disagree. But I also look at Trump's actions as a direct result of the Russian trolling attack on our nation. Do you?


Sure.


I am curious why you are disregarding the attack that has been going on in our nation. Do you not think that these people are being spooned the same old big lies to get them all riled up?


I support the demand for every police force deal with the very real problem of 'fascist' cops. But let's not allow the same bullshit stretching of the truth that they do on Fox news/right wing propaganda to pretend like the issue is anything other than what it is.

That is why people become vulnerable to the bullshit branding that is going on in this thread.

I don't find it a coincidence that you guys have Russians pushing these protests in Portland (the Trump car rally, and the little propagandist that was arrested in DC) that turn violent. Just like I don't think it is a coincidence that the Russian military has been attacking our police for years too with the very same attack.

If you really want to help fix this problem, I would suggest realizing that ignoring the very real military that is attacking all these people that are being brought up in this discussion is not very helpful at all.

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There is no evidence that this protest was organized by Russia. You can go on believing what you want. Personally, I do not believe that every protest in the US is caused by secret agents.

I agree that Russian propaganda is out there, I simply don't believe that ALL of our travails or ALL domestic protests and rallies are due to Russia. This one, for example doesn't seem to me to be anything but a small group, most of whom were peaceful and a few acted out. The people who were arrested are reported to be antifa, not right wing agitators.
 

hanimmal

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There is no evidence that this protest was organized by Russia.
You haven't seen the 'Jan 21st' protests threads/comments? Unless you have looked at a detailed analysis of these people's social media contacts, I don't think that you can actually say what you did as confidently as you are pretending to be.

You can go on believing what you want. Personally, I do not believe that every protest in the US is caused by secret agents.
Condesending, naive, and blind to what a continual attack on our nation has been capable of doing and the nuance in making a statement like this.

I agree that Russian propaganda is out there, I simply don't believe that ALL of our travails or ALL domestic protests and rallies are due to Russia.
I think what you are saying is pretty naive and again condescending. Not every protest or domestic terrorist has to be because of this attack on our nation, but that doesn't mean that 1. the people involved have not been under the attack, and 2. that any particular one is not because of the attack.

Just like I say with the schrodinger's cat mindset when dealing with anyone on the internet, I am not saying anyone is a paid/militarized Russian (and since you are forcing me into hyper literal territory, Saudi, UAE, Netanyahu, Koch, Trump, Sinclair, Fox, whoever) troll, but unless I know them in real life it doesn't mean that they are not one either. I take this approach with these radicalized potential domestic terrorists.

Also that is not what I asked. I asked if you don't think that every American that has been online in some form of chat has not been attacked by the Russian military.

This one, for example doesn't seem to me to be anything but a small group, most of whom were peaceful and a few acted out. The people who were arrested are reported to be antifa, not right wing agitators.
There you go again acting like 'right wing' agitators not getting arrested means they were not in the crowd (or pushing in the lead up to the jan 21st date) inciting mentally unstable people into creating a anti-'them' photo-op.

"Reported" to be ANTIFA is pretty meaningless btw. It is about as good as 'I heard' depending on who is doing the reporting. I have seen 'reporting' all year long about everyone and anyone in black being 'ANTIFA'. It is just bullshit branding. Doesn't mean that they are not, but someone calling themselves 'ANTIFA' screams of brainwashing from what I have seen on people trying to figure out what "ANTIFA" actually is outside of a handful of people in different groups.
 
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Jimdamick

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You haven't seen the 'Jan 21st' protests threads/comments? Unless you have looked at a detailed analysis of these people's social media contacts, I don't think that you can actually say what you did as confidently as you are pretending to be.


Condesending, naive, and blind to what a continual attack on our nation has been capable of doing and the nuance in making a statement like this.


I think what you are saying is pretty naive and again condescending. Not every protest or domestic terrorist has to be because of this attack on our nation, but that doesn't mean that 1. the people involved have not been under the attack, and 2. that any particular one is not because of the attack.

Just like I say with the schrodinger's cat mindset when dealing with anyone on the internet, I am not saying anyone is a paid/militarized Russian (and since you are forcing me into hyper literal territory, Saudi, UAE, Netanyahu, Koch, Trump, Sinclair, Fox, whoever) troll, but unless I know them in real life it doesn't mean that they are not one either.

Also that is not what I asked. I asked if you don't think that every American that has been online in some form of chat has not been attacked by the Russian military.


There you go again acting like 'right wing' agitators not getting arrested means they were not in the crowd (or pushing in the lead up to the jan 21st date) inciting mentally unstable people into creating a anti-'them' photo-op.

"Reported" to be ANTIFA is pretty meaningless btw. It is about as good as 'I heard' depending on who is doing the reporting. I have seen 'reporting' all year long about everyone and anyone in black being 'ANTIFA'. It is just bullshit branding.
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Offmymeds

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Biden doesn't like little girls sexually. That's a ridiculous assumption. He had a habit of invading people's space because he is empathic and compassionate and like me, he's a hugger. He enjoys the feeling of family and tries to make everyone feel accepted. He has apologized for that behavior and corrected it after 40+ yrs of holding babies & shaking hands. Identifying Biden as a pedophile is the equivalent of calling each person in this forum a member of the Sinaloa Cartel because we make drugs. C'mon man!
 

Fogdog

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You haven't seen the 'Jan 21st' protests threads/comments? Unless you have looked at a detailed analysis of these people's social media contacts, I don't think that you can actually say what you did as confidently as you are pretending to be.


Condesending, naive, and blind to what a continual attack on our nation has been capable of doing and the nuance in making a statement like this.


I think what you are saying is pretty naive and again condescending. Not every protest or domestic terrorist has to be because of this attack on our nation, but that doesn't mean that 1. the people involved have not been under the attack, and 2. that any particular one is not because of the attack.

Just like I say with the schrodinger's cat mindset when dealing with anyone on the internet, I am not saying anyone is a paid/militarized Russian (and since you are forcing me into hyper literal territory, Saudi, UAE, Netanyahu, Koch, Trump, Sinclair, Fox, whoever) troll, but unless I know them in real life it doesn't mean that they are not one either. I take this approach with these radicalized potential domestic terrorists.

Also that is not what I asked. I asked if you don't think that every American that has been online in some form of chat has not been attacked by the Russian military.


There you go again acting like 'right wing' agitators not getting arrested means they were not in the crowd (or pushing in the lead up to the jan 21st date) inciting mentally unstable people into creating a anti-'them' photo-op.

"Reported" to be ANTIFA is pretty meaningless btw. It is about as good as 'I heard' depending on who is doing the reporting. I have seen 'reporting' all year long about everyone and anyone in black being 'ANTIFA'. It is just bullshit branding. Doesn't mean that they are not, but someone calling themselves 'ANTIFA' screams of brainwashing from what I have seen on people trying to figure out what "ANTIFA" actually is outside of a handful of people in different groups.
I am skeptical that ALL protests going forward are due to Russian influence.
 

printer

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Use a crisis for political reasons?
Tensions running high after gun incident near House floor
Lawmaker tensions are running high this week after a Republican lawmaker nearly brought a gun onto the House floor, further stoking concerns about Capitol security and whether members of Congress need protection from one another.

The renewed anxiety just two weeks after the deadly Jan. 6 attack was sparked by Rep. Andy Harris (R-Md.) when he set off a newly installed metal detector off the House floor with a concealed gun, despite a longtime ban on firearms in the chamber.

The incident followed numerous reports of other Republicans, accustomed to bypassing metal detectors in the Capitol, chafing at the new security measures. Some Democrats are now openly expressing that they don’t feel safe around certain colleagues.

The spiking anger and distrust in the wake of this month’s Capitol attack by Trump supporters has some lawmakers fearing that heated debates could turn violent.

“Look, the temperature is high right now politically,” Rep. Jared Huffman (D-Calif.) told The Hill. “It is insane to rely on an honor system that could allow something really tragic to happen. And I would say it’s just a matter of time before it does.”

Rep. Kathleen Rice (D-N.Y.) said she never would have envisioned violence breaking out during floor debate when she started serving in the House in 2015. Now, she says, it’s another story.

“You can’t be afraid that the person that you’re having a little argument with on the floor with C-SPAN watching is going to pull a gun and, like, shoot you,” Rice said.

“If you had said that to me six years ago I’d say, ‘Whoever is afraid of that is crazy. That would never happen.’ Now? Sorry. All bets are off. It's a totally different climate. Totally different climate. And we have to recognize that,” she added.

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) — who revealed she had a “close encounter” on Jan. 6 — cited security concerns for not attending President Biden’s inauguration, saying during an interview on CNN’s “Cuomo Prime Time” that “we still don’t yet feel safe around other members of Congress.”

The metal detectors were installed last week after first-term GOP Reps. Lauren Boebert (Colo.) and Madison Cawthorn (N.C.) publicly discussed carrying their weapons around Capitol Hill. Both were also among several House Republicans who engaged in inflammatory rhetoric promoting former President Trump’s false claims of election fraud ahead of the Capitol attack that left five people dead.

Lawmakers in the past have occasionally turned violent during heated floor debates. Many of the physical altercations erupted during fights over slavery in the 1800s, including the infamous caning of abolitionist Sen. Charles Sumner in 1856 and a House floor debate in 1858 that led to fisticuffs between Pennsylvania Republican Galusha Grow and South Carolina Democrat Laurence Keitt before more than 30 lawmakers joined the fighting.

Earlier this month, a fight nearly broke out between lawmakers — including Harris — during late-night debate over a GOP challenge to the Electoral College results, just hours after the pro-Trump mob ransacked the Capitol.

The are currently no punitive measures in place for lawmakers who sidestep Capitol Police as they make their way onto the House floor. But the House is expected to vote to enact fines — $5,000 for a first offense, $10,000 for subsequent ones — when it’s back in session during the first week of February.

Members of Congress are exempt from regulations prohibiting guns on the Capitol grounds and, until last week, from metal detectors in the complex.

Lawmakers can keep guns in their offices or transport them — unloaded and securely wrapped — elsewhere in the Capitol complex under a 1967 rule. But they are forbidden from bringing them into the House or Senate chambers or adjacent areas.

All staff, journalists and visitors, meanwhile, must go through metal detectors to enter the Capitol or surrounding office buildings and cannot carry firearms anywhere on the premises unless specifically authorized.

Harris’s office suggested the gun carried by the Maryland Republican was for self-defense, saying that he and his family have faced security threats recently.

“Because his and his family’s lives have been threatened by someone who has been released awaiting trial, for security reasons, the Congressman never confirms whether he nor anyone else he’s with are carrying a firearm for self-defense. As a matter of public record, he has a Maryland Handgun Permit. And the Congressman always complies with the House metal detectors and wanding. The Congressman has never carried a firearm on the House floor,” Harris’s office said in a statement.

Lawmakers in both parties have faced a spike in threats against them since 2016. Some argue that the bigger threat to lawmakers comes from extremists who also threaten family members.

“I think more of the threat is less about the members, frankly, and more about others who are like the lawless thugs that attacked the Capitol and these domestic terror groups that have obviously led to us putting into having 20,000 National Guard around the Capitol,” said Rep. Josh Gottheimer (D-N.J.).

The New Jersey Democrat is circulating a letter calling for bolstered security funding for members’ offices, regular briefings from Capitol security officials and efforts to keep members’ personal information off the internet.

 

hanimmal

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Man, these people that rioted in Portland are so fucking brainwashed.


Not only are they spouting the same bullshit troll propaganda Rob does, but they even pronounce Kamala Harris' name the way Trump and other right wing political trolls do.


I really hope all the people who were arrested are having their social media history added to the rest of the domestic terrorists/crazies data to analyze.
 

printer

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Kentucky Republican committee rejects resolution urging McConnell to condemn Trump impeachment
The Republican Party of Kentucky's State Central Committee voted on Saturday to reject a resolution that called for Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to condemn the second impeachment trial of former President Trump.

The committee, with over 350 members, deliberated the resolution and eventually voted against it in a 134-49 vote, a committee member told the Courier-Journal. The meeting was called by more than 30 GOP county chairs and vice chairs.

"As a political party, we're in a unique position to bring all sides of our organization together to have conversations about the direction we are going in and what we expect from our elected officials," a statement released after the meeting said.

McConnell defended the former president during his first impeachment hearing, when the House brought two articles of impeachment against him for his dealings with Ukraine and its president, Volodymyr Zelensky.

The Senate will begin the hearing on impeachment on Feb. 9.

However, McConnell has not announced how he will vote during the impeachment trial, and has stated that he’ll “listen to the legal arguments when they are presented to the Senate."

McConnell condemned Trump’s actions in a Senate speech and said the mob was “provoked by the president.”

Nelson County GOP's executive committee censured McConnell for the statement.

The Republican Party of Kentucky's State Central Committee voted on Saturday to reject a resolution that called for Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to condemn the second impeachment trial of former President Trump.

The committee, with over 350 members, deliberated the resolution and eventually voted against it in a 134-49 vote, a committee member told the Courier-Journal. The meeting was called by more than 30 GOP county chairs and vice chairs.
"As a political party, we're in a unique position to bring all sides of our organization together to have conversations about the direction we are going in and what we expect from our elected officials," a statement released after the meeting said.

McConnell defended the former president during his first impeachment hearing, when the House brought two articles of impeachment against him for his dealings with Ukraine and its president, Volodymyr Zelensky.

The Senate will begin the hearing on impeachment on Feb. 9.
However, McConnell has not announced how he will vote during the impeachment trial, and has stated that he’ll “listen to the legal arguments when they are presented to the Senate."
McConnell condemned Trump’s actions in a Senate speech and said the mob was “provoked by the president.”

Nelson County GOP's executive committee censured McConnell for the statement.

Many Republican senators have not said how they plan to vote for impeachment. There would need to be 17 Republican votes in order for Trump to be convicted.
“In the end it is our intention to return our focus to bringing civility to the party and continue having larger conversations about how we can attract more voters and grow our party," the state central committee said in its statement.
The Hill has reached out to the Kentucky GOP and McConnell for comment.
 

Fogdog

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Man, these people that rioted in Portland are so fucking brainwashed.


Not only are they spouting the same bullshit troll propaganda Rob does, but they even pronounce Kamala Harris' name the way Trump and other right wing political trolls do.


I really hope all the people who were arrested are having their social media history added to the rest of the domestic terrorists/crazies data to analyze.
Ok, so, that's it. Their message, if one can call it that, is nothing has changed with respect to the issue of police brutality and fascists in the police force. The spokeswoman is correct that property damage during protest is a non-violent action and has been a part of protesting long before this time.

Address police brutality. That is the big problem and the motivation behind their protests. Your assertion that they are brainwashed is entirely based upon your imagination. Police brutality is a real problem, worthy of civil protests, worthy of disobedience out of protest and has nothing to do with secret agent-provocateurs.
 
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