Why is defoliation so controversial?

[tstick]

Has anyone ever grown a strain that produces very few fan leaves and almost all buds?

 

[PadawanWarrior]

Has anyone ever grown a strain that produces very few fan leaves and almost all buds?

Ya. High calyx to leaf ratio.

 

[Boru420]

i defoliated the fuck out of my plants, ye ha it dropped the humidity if nothing else.

 

[PadawanWarrior]

i defoliated the fuck out of my plants, ye ha it dropped the humidity if nothing else.

Ya, and my temp rises a tiny bit.

 

[LordEnki]

i am under the impression that once in flower the plant wont grow back anything removed from it.

 

[getogrow]

i am under the impression that once in flower the plant wont grow back anything removed from it.

it wont ever grow back anything but it will shoot new growth in veg or flower. Or these guys that believe in this method believe that the plant will focus more on the new growth vs the leaves they take off.

 

[LordEnki]

it wont ever grow back anything but it will shoot new growth in veg or flower. Or these guys that believe in this method believe that the plant will focus more on the new growth vs the leaves they take off.

thats exactly what ive read most places. extreme defoliation just before flower and then a month in and the plants "focus" on flower growth and not regrowing lost foliage.

 

[Boru420]

thats exactly what ive read most places. extreme defoliation just before flower and then a month in and the plants "focus" on flower growth and not regrowing lost foliage.

thats what i heard and im sticking to it.

 

[PJ Diaz]

Why not just harvest in stages? Take the tops first, clears the way for lower buds to get more light, wait another week or so, harvest lower buds.

I scrog avoid needing this
I defoliate because otherwise the canopy would be way too thick

I do a modified scrog, and did a multi-stage harvest last run, which seemed to work well. I do get more than a couple feet of vertical growth above my lowest net

 

[Hollatchaboy]

I do a modified scrog, and did a multi-stage harvest last run, which seemed to work well. I do get more than a couple feet of vertical growth above my lowest net

I did a multi stage harvest with a scrog. Prolly much different than your setup and the lower growth ripened up much better but it obviously wasn't as potent.

 

[PJ Diaz]

I did a multi stage harvest with a scrog. Prolly much different than your setup and the lower growth ripened up much better but it obviously wasn't as potent.

TBH, I felt like the lowers that I harvested a week later were more potent, but the terps were different (less preferable with late harvest).

 

[Hollatchaboy]

TBH, I felt like the lowers that I harvested a week later were more potent, but the terps were different (less preferable with late harvest).

I wish mine would have. They did get darker and more ripe, but potency just wasn't there for me, at least not like the tops. Lol

 

[p0opstlnksal0t]

So how come the guys like Jeorge Cervantes, say it's bad and don't do it as its a source of food?

Y'all saying he's wrong???? Lol

I've seen another video.of his where he described pruning techniques and cleaning up leaves to "hack" the plant for indoor growing styles to yield more

 

[Severed Tongue]

Just checking reviews for his book, and others like The Grow Bible, seems like it's all outdated, mostly talks about history of the plant and lots of pictures, barely anything on LED.

So I guess I have to really be careful as a new to this indoor home grower, as even just watching YouTube videos... one guy will support xyz, the next guy says that same xyz is bioscience, yet both guys are having very successful results.

No wonder so many people get frustrated.

 

[bernie344]

Things got a little heated in another thread when I and another poster put up some pics of our defoliation. He “schwazzed” the plant and I did something much less extreme. This caused one of the main forum admins to come in and speak out against defoliation, with no small amount of derision towards me and the other poster, I might add.

I didn’t think this was controversial. I thought it was settled science that judicious defoliation virtually eliminates larf. Sure I understand urging some caution, and I personally do it incrementally like the guide in the link describes, except this it was a local friend that showed me how to do this.

I’ll admit I was skeptical but he challenged me to try it and I’m always up for a challenge. I got much less larf and now I swear by it. I know that lots of people are bound to fuck up their plants doing this, but I don’t think that means it should be categorically discouraged. There’s no one right way to do things after all.

I like to grow a lot of indica dominant plants with tight nodes. I get fan leaves laying on each other and restricted airflow if I don’t take fan leaves off. This technique is used in commercial agriculture too. I just don’t understand all the hate. I get almost no larf and it’s never even slowed my plants down.

I’d just like to hear some of your thoughts and see if a consensus can be reached. I agree with this article 100% and think it’s great advice. Here’s some pics of my plants in different stages of flowering, all defoliated almost identically to the method described in the article below.

Cannabis Defoliation Tutorial To Increase Yields | Grow Weed Easy

Controversial defoliation can increase your yields dramatically indoors... but removing leaves is for advanced growers only! When done wrong, defoliation can kill your plants!

www.growweedeasy.com

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Its a touchy subject due to the defoliation riots back in 2009.
Don't quote me on that.

 

[Beehive]

If you're worried about 'larf'. Then mainline or manifold. Where the entire plant produces top shelf bud throughout.

Growing bushy. Everything above the canopy is top shelf. The rest are levels of quality. If you think I'm grinding up rock colas to go into cookies. Negatory.

There's producing stuff you smoke and stuff you use in other things.

It all gets you high.

 

[NanoGadget]

I almost never do much defoliation, but I think I probably need to modify my methods for this run. Shit got really crowded. Did a light trim at flip and its already a shit show again 2 weeks later..

 

[bernie344]

I almost never do much defoliation, but I think I probably need to modify my methods for this run. Shit got really crowded.View attachment 4814506 Did a light trim at flip and its already a shit show again 2 weeks later..

Yeah....if only leaves were a good smoke it would be so easy.

 

[NanoGadget]

Yeah....if only leaves were a good smoke it would be so easy.

I eat em!

 

[bernie344]

I eat em!

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