Biden's decision to cancel Keystone is one the US will eventually regret.
- Thread starter garybo
- Start date
smokinrav
Well-Known Member
Seriously, fuck Texas
MICHI-CAN
Well-Known Member
Only because massive diesel engines are turning the electrical generators turning vastly superior electric motors. Because a viable solar panel has been denied by the oil murders and political lap dogs. Read deeper. And all those electric cars on board will generate a small percent of the carbon of gas. Further decreasing over their life span. Poor counter on your end.
rkymtnman
Well-Known Member
keep your sludge in canada. you build the pipeline, you refine it, you ship it to china. problem solved.
rkymtnman
Well-Known Member
did you see recently the wind powered cargo ships are pretty close to a reality?
rkymtnman
Well-Known Member
i'm still pissed that the deepwater horizon leak f'cked up the oysters in LA and TX. i'll never eat gulf oysters again.
printer
Well-Known Member
Still does not change the fact that the US oil companies owns part of the development and needs its oil to run the refineries. Either get it from us or companies with dictatorships.
printer
Well-Known Member
rkymtnman
Well-Known Member
not true at all. you need our refineries b/c your gov't won't allow you to build one north of vancouver to process the tar sludge.
MICHI-CAN
Well-Known Member
My daughter and son in law are still afraid to eat the 2 headed, four eyed shrimp or deformed fish. Not to mention the sludge balls on their frontage beach to this day. FUCK OIL!!
myke
Well-Known Member
Not quite sure boats use diesel
ships
In international waters, ship emissions remain one of the least regulated parts of our global transportation system. The fuel used in ships is waste oil, basically what is left over after the crude oil refining process. It is the same as asphalt and is so thick that when cold it can be walked upon. It's the cheapest and most polluting fuel available and the world's 90,000 ships chew through an astonishing 7.29 million barrels of it each day, or more than 84% of all exported oil production from Saudi Arabia.
Shipping is by far the biggest transport polluter in the world. There are 760 million cars in the world today, emitting approx 78,599 tons of Sulphur Oxides (SOx) annually. The world's 90,000 vessels burn approx 370 million tons of fuel per year, emitting 20 million tons of Sulphur Oxides. That equates to 260 times more Sulphur Oxides being emitted by ships than the worlds entire car fleet. One large ship alone can generate approx 5,200 tonnes of sulphur oxide pollution in a year, meaning that 15 of the largest ships now emit as much SOx as the worlds 760 million cars.
don’t burn diesel.
I just copied this. True or not it’s not good.
MICHI-CAN
Well-Known Member
Oil is a mess. And Canucks ship tons of their trash to my state to bury. Love the Can's. Hate them externalizing their trash on my country. Take your own trash out. Not our place. Did your mother's not teach you to clean up after yourselves?
xtsho
Well-Known Member
While I love our neighbors to the north and have fond memories of the few times I've visited, they need to move that oil on their own. The United States does not need that oil from Canada and should not be a transit route for Canadian oil.
The Bakken formation extends into the US so we have all the tar sands we need if we actually needed the oil.
Rurumo
Well-Known Member
Multiple companies, all Scandinavian afaik, are working on wind powered cargo ships. There are already a few in service with this technology, though right now it's supplemental, lowering fuel usage by around 15%. With current technology they could lower fossil fuel use in cargo shipping by 90%, if the American corporations and world oil cartel will let them get off their feet. Here is a random article on one https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/12/swedish-firm-wind-powered-cargo-ships/#:~:text=A Swedish company is developing,are expected to be lower.
rkymtnman
Well-Known Member
this was the story i was trying to find: let canada do their own dirty work.
Special Report: A Canadian family's 'Plan B' to pump tar sands oil
Keystone XL, a pipeline proposal to pump Canadian oil sands through the heart of America, has alarmed environmentalists and become one of the most contentious issues of the Obama presidency. But there is a "Plan B" to cut the United States out of the picture, and it is championed...
but the environmentalists up there shut it down. hmm. they proposed a E to W pipeline thru CA but was deemed to unsafe.
rkymtnman
Well-Known Member
bingo. read that article i just posted.
is that Red1966?
But Canadians are sunny and nice.this was the story i was trying to find: let canada do their own dirty work.
Special Report: A Canadian family's 'Plan B' to pump tar sands oil
Keystone XL, a pipeline proposal to pump Canadian oil sands through the heart of America, has alarmed environmentalists and become one of the most contentious issues of the Obama presidency. But there is a "Plan B" to cut the United States out of the picture, and it is championed...www.reuters.com
but the environmentalists up there shut it down. hmm. they proposed a E to W pipeline thru CA but was deemed to unsafe.
rkymtnman
Well-Known Member
and they care about their land, water, indigenous people. strange concept.