What has Trump done to this country?

mooray

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It's easy to make new friends when you spend money on them that isn't yours.

You can't possibly know what a "tree of liberty" is if you support forcible reallocation of other peoples property.

Have you been drinking cough syrup again ?
As I've mentioned before, no social construct has ever existed in its purest form. Liberty has never existed in its purest form. Just because every government on the planet takes your money without your permission to provide services for the masses, does not mean you do not have liberty. It just means that if you're expecting the purest form of it, you may need to adjust your expectations in order to exist with any degree of happiness.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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American Democracy Can't Survive Unless the Far Right Is Marginalized. Here's How to Do It (yahoo.com)

American Democracy Can't Survive Unless the Far Right Is Marginalized. Here's How to Do It

Fri, March 19, 2021, 7:30 AM

As our nation comes to grip with the horrific events of January 6 and watches the Republican Party descend further into Trumpism as it pushes hundreds of restrictive voting laws across the country, the obvious question is how does American democracy come back from all this?

There is a path forward: The super-majority of Americans across the political spectrum who reject the extremism need to come together. This includes the pro-democracy right. But for the pro-democracy right to thrive, we need to reform the U.S. voting system to allow for new parties to emerge outside the existing two-party system. Without electoral reform, third parties are likely to fail as spoilers. But only a new small “l” liberal Republican Party—distinct from the increasingly illiberal Trumpist GOP, can establish a new partisan identity that gives center-right voters a meaningful home. Only a new party can create a distinct pathway to elected office that avoids the combatively hyper-partisan Republican primary voters. A party faction cannot do these things. Left to fight a losing battle in the Republican Party, as the recent CPAC confirmed, the withering pro-democracy faction is up against frightening odds.
 
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CunningCanuk

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As I've mentioned before, no social construct has ever existed in its purest form. Liberty has never existed in its purest form. Just because every government on the planet takes your money without your permission to provide services for the masses, does not mean you do not have liberty. It just means that if you're expecting the purest form of it, you may need to adjust your expectations in order to exist with any degree of happiness.
What makes Bob happy is people engaging with him when he spews his nonsense.

This was his reaction after seeing you responded to one of his posts:

 

CCGNZ

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American Democracy Can't Survive Unless the Far Right Is Marginalized. Here's How to Do It (yahoo.com)

American Democracy Can't Survive Unless the Far Right Is Marginalized. Here's How to Do It

Fri, March 19, 2021, 7:30 AM

As our nation comes to grip with the horrific events of January 6 and watches the Republican Party descend further into Trumpism as it pushes hundreds of restrictive voting laws across the country, the obvious question is how does American democracy come back from all this?

There is a path forward: The super-majority of Americans across the political spectrum who reject the extremism need to come together. This includes the pro-democracy right. But for the pro-democracy right to thrive, we need to reform the U.S. voting system to allow for new parties to emerge outside the existing two-party system. Without electoral reform, third parties are likely to fail as spoilers. But only a new small “l” liberal Republican Party—distinct from the increasingly illiberal Trumpist GOP, can establish a new partisan identity that gives center-right voters a meaningful home. Only a new party can create a distinct pathway to elected office that avoids the combatively hyper-partisan Republican primary voters. A party faction cannot do these things. Left to fight a losing battle in the Republican Party, as the recent CPAC confirmed, the withering pro-democracy faction is up against frightening odds.

Electoral reforms that make space for more parties may seem unlikely. But urgent times call for big changes. And American democracy has done big things before.

First, we need to understand the urgency of the problem. By international standards, the current Republican Party is an illiberal anti-democratic nativist global outlier, with positions more extreme than France’s National Rally, and in line with the Germany’s AfD, Hungary’s Fidesz, Turkey’s AKP and Poland’s PiS, according to the widely respected V-Dem (Varieties of Democracy) Institute.

This is not a new problem. The GOP has been sliding into authoritarianism over two decades, using increasingly demonizing rhetoric against its opponents. But it got worse under Trump’s leadership, and the failure of center-right factions to push back. We are running out of time. What happens in a hyper-polarized party system when a major party turns against the entire system of legitimate elections? Historically, democracy dies.

And yet, if recent months and weeks have highlighted the dangerous extremism of the current Republican Party, they’ve also shown how broadly unpopular such violent extremism actually is. Three-quarters of Americans disapprove of the January 6 mob’s actions, and Trump’s seemingly immovable approval floor dropped by about more than six points. In the days after, only 13 percent of Americans considered themselves “Trump Supporters” while another 16 percent considered themselves “Traditional Republicans.” If “Trump Supporters” were their own party, they’d be about as popular as Germany’s far-right AfD, which polled at about 15 percent for 2019, though their support more recently dropped off to 11 percent.

But the obvious difference is that in Germany, the popular center-right CDU Party, headed by Angela Merkel, was able to form of a governing coalition with the center-left, keeping the AfD far away from power. In the U.S., where governing power can fall to a mere plurality of a plurality, the center-right has been overwhelmed by the far-right in the Republican Party. And because the U.S. has a two-party system, the center-right is largely homeless. If fighting for a place in the GOP is pushing a heavy rock up a steep hill, fighting for a place in the Democratic Party is pushing an even heavier rock up the side of a cliff.

But why is the United States a two-party system? It’s not because voters want just two parties. For decades, majorities of Americans have told pollsters they want more parties to choose from, and registered their dissatisfaction with the two-party system by increasingly identifying as independents. Rather, it’s because the U.S. uses a system of first-past-the-post single-winner plurality elections for Congress. In such a system, votes for third parties are “wasted” and third parties are dismissed as “spoilers.” All ambitious politicians, thus, set their sights on one of the two major parties. And because anybody can run in a party primary, parties have very little control of their candidates. Marjorie Taylor Greene, for example, was not selected by Republican Party leaders. She simply won her primary, with the support of just 43,813 voters in a district of almost 700,000 residents. Instead of being a minor party candidate, she is now an increasingly prominent Republican.

The U.S. is the only advanced democracy to give voters full control over party primary nominations. In every other advanced democracy, party leaders control nominations. The U.S. is also the only genuine two-party system among advanced democracies—and absent major reform, that’s not likely to change anytime soon.
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MTG is a disgustingly vile witch,I'm disgusted by these newbie politicians who push the limits w/their radical stances and diatribes to make news and self promote, unfortunately the more the limits are pushed by these publicity seeking whores the harder it is to come back to a more reasonable place.Like sand eroding off the beach, once its gone its gone,that's what I liken all this granstanding BS to.ccguns
 

Fogdog

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She said she was just waiting at a traffic light when the suspect suddenly punched her by her left eye.

Immediately, her instincts kicked in to defend herself. While she suffered injuries and required medical attention, it was her attacker that ended up on a stretcher. Li says, "She found the stick around the area and fought back."

Witnesses told the station they saw the woman pummeling her assailant.

In a video taken at the scene, the suspect is handcuffed to a stretcher with his face bloodied. The sobbing victim appears to berate him and wave what looks to be a wooden board at him as he's being taken away.

"You bum, why did you hit me?" the woman said in Chinese.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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There is no neutral in this fight, it's one way or the other, no middle ground between democracy and fascism. If yer gonna break the filibuster, ya might as well go all out with whatever will help get ya elected in 2022 and retain or increase power.
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The GOP prepares to go on the defensive as D.C. statehood movement gains momentum (yahoo.com)

The GOP prepares to go on the defensive as D.C. statehood movement gains momentum

The campaign for Washington, D.C., to become the 51st state has been gaining momentum in the Democratic Party, The Washington Post reports. Several Democratic lawmakers, like Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-Md.), said the urgency stems both from a "powerful democratic imperative for getting everybody equal political rights and representation" and also the sense that "the Senate has become the principal obstacle to social progress across a whole range of issues." In other words, two more senators from the heavily blue capital city would diminish the skew toward lower-population, Republican-leaning states in the chamber.

But as the idea becomes more and more of a priority for Democrats, it's also glaring brighter on the Republican Party's radar. "Our base is concerned," Rep. James Comer (R-Ky.), the top Republican on the House Oversight and Reform Committee, told the Post. "This is the first step of their political power grab. And we're going to make sure that America knows what they're trying to do and why it wasn't created as a state to begin with."

In reaction to Comer's quote, CBS News' Wesley Lowery argued against the idea that the D.C. statehood movement is just a Democratic "power grab" in disguise, noting that he'd like to hear a counterargument about why the city's population should continue to be taxed without any votes in Congress. Read more at The Washington Post.

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DIY-HP-LED

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Inside Look At All-Black Militia Group

NBC News' Morgan Radford joins Morning Joe to discuss her new reporting on the NFAC, an armed Black militia group with a mission to defend the Black community.
 

CCGNZ

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Inside Look At All-Black Militia Group

NBC News' Morgan Radford joins Morning Joe to discuss her new reporting on the NFAC, an armed Black militia group with a mission to defend the Black community.
All this siding up W/different militias prepping is downright ominous,60's all over again but w/speed of digital world to provoke,spread rumor,and just turn up the heat to epic proportions starting to get a queezy feeling and it sure as hell is not from my Phizer shot.ccguns
 

mooray

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Ominous indeed. White people going crazy attacking the gov't and have building up their militias, black people arming themselves building up their militias, we've got the recipe and all that's left is to toss it in the oven.
 

CCGNZ

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Wish I knew back in 80's seeing the Donald hanging around the fight game w/Don King and the like at his At. City casinos that he would end up being the FN straw that stirred this volatile cocktail of BS that is now stalking this country.Who could have known?ccguns
 

mooray

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Ahhh yes, the ol' Hitler time travel moral dilemma.

If any time travelers read this, the answer is the same for all of them -> kill the baby.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Ominous indeed. White people going crazy attacking the gov't and have building up their militias, black people arming themselves building up their militias, we've got the recipe and all that's left is to toss it in the oven.
Actually it might be the best thing yet for gun control. Back in the stone age pictures of black panthers armed to the teeth exercising their second amendment rights in the national media lead to gun control in CA, by Ronald Reagan himself.

The black Militia was what a Militia is suppose to be, a disciplined defensive force that is required by circumstances and the reality of the situation. White racist militias are generally more aggressive and founded over imagined fears, not real threats. The black Militia in the video appears more community based than the all male white drinking clubs where paranoid idiots rant and rave. The Black people in America have been and are subjected to social and political warfare by a third of the white population, while another third looks on in moral confusion. The are subjected to assaults on their persons and family, by white citizens and law enforcement, in addition to insults, organized terrorism and random acts of baseless hate. They have good reason to arm and discipline themselves into an armed force, they are Americans whose rights are being denied and abused.
 
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mooray

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I hear you, but the justification for certain reasons gets real messy, real quick. If black people get to point to white people going crazy with their militias and Jan 6th and a million other incidents, then white people could point to black crime data as a reason and while you and I would say, hey wait a second there are some significant socioeconomic issues that point right back to white people again, it doesn't make that data disappear and would probably be upheld in courts.

I'd rather skip all that mess and see both sides focus on the constitution and make concessions, like dems could support the 2a and the current state of gun laws even though they want to make changes, then reps could support womens rights to abortions even though they want to see changes. I think a core sickness we have is a high degree of selfishness and both sides are trying to create a world of only the things they like and that's why we see so much hypocrisy and philosophical inconsistency. And yes, republicans want waaaaaaay worse things.

People need to get comfortable with supporting things they don't like and rejecting things they do like, because that's what honesty looks like, and when people are honest, they're easier to understand, and when you can understand someone, you can work with someone.
 
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