Understandable but it wasn't like the North was super united during the War,Lincoln wasn't in a position w/ a war weary nation to keep turning up the heat,being the common sense person that he was he immediately recognized the cards he held and chose healing knowing it had its flaws and was the lesser of 2 evils. Grant faced a high level of pushback and sent Union forces to quell the KKK w/limited success, it was so prevalent that it was a game of whack a mole, I mean look at today 160 yrs. later,the south is still stacked w/stars+bars waving rednecks as a reminder of the dark forces confronted by Lincoln and then Grant ccguns
Joe Biden, the good, bad and ugly. Starting with the good.
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DIY-HP-LED
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Well I see Socrates wasn't around too long
Sorry DIY that ones above my pay grade,over my head and under my toes LOLccguns
DIY-HP-LED
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A thread called the Socratic method started by our current sock that was deleted as having no useful purpose. It was a great place to post drone videos though! I promote professional FPV pilot's YouTube videos and the hobby in general whenever I can. Here is an example:
hanimmal
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Trump would have still been the Republican nominee, and the Russians would have rolled with their Hunter propaganda in 2016.
It still wouldn't have worked and Biden would have beaten Trump back then, but lost the House and Senate.
Trump/Stone were already running the 'Stop the Steal' troll in 2016, so they likely would have done the same and what we saw on Jan 6th would have been 4 years earlier (the protests not necessarily the lame as coup attempt that almost worked). Then they would have ridden than for the next 4 years and ran in 2020 again.
Then the Republicans run with the 'Hunter-Ghazi' scam (Guiliani would have pushed that instead of the Weiner laptop) and the Republicans would have had control of the House and Senate and did impeachment hearings on Biden stalling all of his agenda just like they did Obama for his last 6 years.
And Trump would have won in 2020.
HGCC
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I dont know anyone that thinks Biden screwed bernie, it should be clear that centrist views have a much greater appeal to the masses. I'm in a wait and see pattern.
hanimmal
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I guess I was more thinking about the right wing militarized trolls (foreign and domestic) using propaganda to scare a significant portion of our latino population living in key districts/states ( Flordia/Texas) into thinking that somehow Biden is a socialist that drinks baby blood, and trick them into not voting because of the 'both sides' trolling.
DIY-HP-LED
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Bernie seems quite happy with Joe and Liz Warren is in hog heaven as chairman of the senate banking committee. Everybody knows Joe is running left enough to keep progressives happy while harvesting the low hanging fruit. Old Joe is a virtuoso of the high wire balancing act. Also since the election many on the left apprehend the nature of the country better now (along with everybody else) and progressivism is just that, a slow progressive change over time that the electorate will swallow. Joe and the democrats have an eye on 2022 and I wonder what they will pursue for round two? Something to divide the remaining republicans I should think, something like pot reform and a few other goodies.
hanimmal
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I'm not ready to give Biden too much credit yet. There is so much low hanging fruit to pick to do after Trump's 4 years of madness/laziness.
He is smart enough to take the easy shots though, which is not nothing.
But I agree he has done very well.
But so too did Obama and the right (and left) wing propaganda machine had people convinced he was the worst ever and they voted for Trump. That is why I am not so confident.
injinji
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I'm glad they don't stick to that rule all the time. The reading material would get pretty thin around here.
Fogdog
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It's kind of nice to have a President with a majority who approve of what he's doing. Some of his recent polls are almost 60% approval. Someone should tell Republican leadership that the people of the US prefer democracy over what they offer.
DIY-HP-LED
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His state of the union will include vaccine doses delivered along with relief for how many millions of Americans by then? Joe will grow on them, especially the soft republicans who claim to be independents, the remaining republicans are pretty much a write off.
Although I consider myself reasonably intelligent DIY, I'm a semi off the grid type, tech scares me, Only got a laptop 2yrs ago(mostly to buy seeds), i've progressed to Amazon,Wmart,you tube,online unememp.benefits,wikipedia,etc,but I don't have a cell,no WIFI in house,and am basically a special needs feed me strained food type when it comes to tech.ccguns
The real test is coming for Joe as the far left are going to become impatient and start to push him, they have to realize that this country is not ready for some of their more extreme policies and they risk 2022 control if they weaken Biden by pushing to hard creating a opening for Reps. matter of fact I think Reps are counting on it as the majority in this country IS more in line w/centrist thinkingccguns
I'm actually sick and tired of both extreme ends of the spectrum pushing the agenda, it's the 65-70% in the middle that can actually hash things out to come up w/reasonable policies. Not racist thugs on one side or complete kumbaya types where no ones responsible for their choices on the other. Solutions are found in the middle ground. Pride in our country,respect for the Constitution, what the statue of liberty means,a strong military, Responsible taxation (the rich and Corps pay but are not rheemed as the enemy stifling innovation),social and medical programs are robust but not free for alls inviting fraud and waste, forward future thinking policies that are reasonable. These are the issues most Americans are in line IMO.ccguns
CunningCanuk
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You might be overlooking the significance of people not liking Hillary Clinton for one reason or another.
hanimmal
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That was why I figured Biden would have beaten Trump in 2016.
Clinton was trolled hard and I think the chauvinistic nature of too many older people (or whatever reason they convinced themselves that the lies were so many that there was smoke, meaning that there was a fire somewhere (even though it was all bullshit)) was enough to squeak Trump by her.
They would have lied just as much about Biden, but I still think being a old white guy was enough to get him those 77k votes Trump beat Clinton by.
I'm down w/that my man as she made a lot of peoples skin crawl and her sense of entitlement to be the next Pres. put people off in a big way. I give her props for taking on all the blood-thirsty Rep. Senators during Benghazi hearings though as she engaged in a 8 hr. give and take w/them and more than held her own they couldn't break her .Can you imagine Cheetoman under that kind of fire, Aint no way he doesn't melt down w/that pressure, guarantee he folds like a cardboard box.ccguns
CunningCanuk
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I missed that, sorry.