insomnia65
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I just don't have the money for Gavita, not that HLG is cheap, but I do love efficiency, dislike running costs, but as you say what can you do.
Old skool here, need help finding right information on led ! Please help !
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Original StinkyG
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Nice, this yield business doesn't quite ring true but I will find out myself ! In soil, short veg times yield is never massive in my experience which don't mean someone else hasn't ! In large tub 100ltr tub filling to about 80l in dwc with drip ring,single plant I've managed 26oz under 250w hps x2 ! I was shown by an even older fella which I told straight he was full of shit, proved me wrong !!! Badly ! This grow is first soil grow since then ! That's about 1.5 gram a watt ish !
Aeroknow
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I picked up 5- 600R’s for my daughters new setup i gotta get to building. Went with their 300B’s in the veg room.
Therrion
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Yep. on some strains I hit 1.7g/W. I was an LED skeptic for a long time, but boy did they make a believer out of me. The technology has advanced far enough to out perform HPS. They're also tailored to hit a better spectrum. One of the biggest benefits of white light is being able to see the color of your plants, so you can diagnose deficiencies.
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getogrow
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I dont see you "doubling" your yields but you can double you grams per watt with leds.
I would say in general you will see a slight increase just for the fact the light hits the outter edge better, with much more light.
As for making fun of xtsho for using hid is just childish. Good weed is good weed , you cannot change that with leds. he FULLY admits his lights are "old tech" and he pays a bit more to run them but i bet his dope is better then most on here. QUALITY and EFFICIENCY are two totally different words.....dictionary...
getogrow
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No need in name brands. stick with mejui from alibaba or kingbright. less then half the price for the same shit.
EDIT: the fixtures are kinda cheaply built but do you really need your fixture to be bulletproof ? nah , just stick with generic lights with lm301b diodes.
getogrow
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The only thing missing from led is IR light , which most think is unuseable to the plant. If you really want identical to your hps then go with leds and a 150w hps just for the IR light. Thats literally the only thing different from led an hps with a small exception for kelvin temp. (Hps bulbs are 2100 to 2700k give or take....)
You CANNOT go wrong with 3k kelvin and a small hps for IR. (the IR may be a waste of money , im not 100% sure yet.)
Original StinkyG
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I find you really pay for lumatek and gavita and similarly branded products when the product is not as good as could be for the cash but if a person wants it and has the cash, why not eh ?? Loving your room, it's a beauty, real classy and I hope your loving what you do ! I'm looking for led and it's a right confusing game when you start and I imagine some have real issues understanding what they are looking at, like all these lights that say 1000w 1500w 2000w led recently replace hps 1000w and the fact is these led units are actually 25/100w usually of mediocre led at best from what I'm seeing !
I do need to know one thing right now and that is the bin thing, I understand the testing then them going in right bin for colour/temp and cri etc if that's right ? Anyway my question is about top bin leds of older diodes than say lm301h and if what has been stated other places is correct for example, are Samsung 561c top bin better than lm301b/h of a lesser bin ???? This is the stuff that baffles my brain, bullshit baffles brains was British military vernacular and fits growing exactly ! Lol .
Can anyone tell me if this is right or wrong as it's important for us growers who are not as comfortable when it's comes to cash. Knowing these things are good for everyone of us anyway as all we hear is this led or that led but if other variables exist it's only right we know ! As of now it's lm301h and just before that it was 301b and before that was 561c ................. That's before COB are even mentioned !! Aaaaarrrrrgggghhhhh my head is hurting
Original StinkyG
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I'm pretty sure UV does do somerhing , both a and b with about 5% of one and the rest the other. I'd have to look and my heads confused itself ! Lol it ups resin as it uses it like sunscreen. This all came about as it was noticed that same strain grown on the equator produces more resin than same strain further from equator ! Uv is strongest hour or so before midday and hour or 2 after midday, hottest part of the day ! I think if I use it this grow as I have 100w tubes I would only use for 2 hours in middle of lights on !
Pretty sure hps has no uv light or I've misremembered which has happened before.
V256.420
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Ask yourself this. Where do I want my money going? Whose pockets do I want to line with my cash?
Some hydro store owner? Maybe. He/she has to make a living and at least they are running a business and not home jerking off.
Some guy in China? Sure, he/she is a human being and has a life to live as well.
Some guy on ebay? We all have to work and make $$$ to survive these days.
A small business in the US? Usually way more expensive but possibly more worth it for customer service.
That is your real choice because most LED today are pretty good. You wont lose with any of the ones mentioned in this thread. All you have to do is ask yourself the first two questions I posed and go from there.
Some hydro store owner? Maybe. He/she has to make a living and at least they are running a business and not home jerking off.
Some guy in China? Sure, he/she is a human being and has a life to live as well.
Some guy on ebay? We all have to work and make $$$ to survive these days.
A small business in the US? Usually way more expensive but possibly more worth it for customer service.
That is your real choice because most LED today are pretty good. You wont lose with any of the ones mentioned in this thread. All you have to do is ask yourself the first two questions I posed and go from there.
Original StinkyG
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his does indeed produce uv light, I was wrong you were right, not in massive amounts though !
Original StinkyG
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I'm from the UK so US kit can get pricey with import duty and the like.
V256.420
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Change the US to UK and make it work.
Original StinkyG
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That's cool, any differences in the way you grew ? In comparison to hps that is ?
Budzbuddha
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In UK ? Run budmaster . A tester buddy of mine runs those constantly ( @icemudsgrow ) on IG and uses those rigs for breeding.
Full osram diodes.
Full osram diodes.
Original StinkyG
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don't get your meaning ?
Lifespan of diodes is not a linear curve.
if you run them at 90-100 percent you will lose around 10-15 percent of lumen output in a 2 year period.
compared to running leds at 60-75 percent power you get a far better lifespan. and less lumen output degradation over time.
read the technical specs on Samsung301h leds on their website to get a better understanding.
I run 1250 watts of 301h and osram over a 5X5 at 40-80 percent power in flower. 40 percent during stretch to really get them to reach for the light and incrementally increase throughout flower. And then turn them down when I start the flush.
not worth the cost of running leds in veg IMO only hps during veg.
if you run them at 90-100 percent you will lose around 10-15 percent of lumen output in a 2 year period.
compared to running leds at 60-75 percent power you get a far better lifespan. and less lumen output degradation over time.
read the technical specs on Samsung301h leds on their website to get a better understanding.
I run 1250 watts of 301h and osram over a 5X5 at 40-80 percent power in flower. 40 percent during stretch to really get them to reach for the light and incrementally increase throughout flower. And then turn them down when I start the flush.
not worth the cost of running leds in veg IMO only hps during veg.
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Original StinkyG
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are there not loads of types of budmaster lights ? The ones I've seen are in units that I don't like the look of. I'll have a mooch though ! Thanks
Original StinkyG
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I get that as I've read up on that ! Some places over power them or do mix of lights off same driver like lm301b with 1w this and 3w diodes ! Gotta be over powering some and under powering others, non run correctly ! You make a good point, the quality of light changes too with over running or under running from what is read but did not read as much into that !