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mooray

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MICHI-CAN said:
I can't get the total carbon per unit or means to agree with your claim. I agree with another capitalist cash cow and further devastation and wars to force non USA countries holding the resources concede them. And all mute when considering who can actually afford the sticker price.
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It's an impossible calculation when you try to factor in fossil fuels used for mining and all the millions of other offshoots, like energy used to produce the food the feed the little 10yo black kids working in the mine, or the energy used to make the whip to keep those black kids working hard, etc.
 
doublejj

doublejj

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mooray said:
It's an impossible calculation when you try to factor in fossil fuels used for mining and all the millions of other offshoots, like energy used to produce the food the feed the little 10yo black kids working in the mine, or the energy used to make the whip to keep those black kids working hard, etc.
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Black kids in Australia?....
electrek.co

Tesla aims to secure $1 billion a year in battery minerals from Australia

Tesla has confirmed through its chairwoman that the automaker is aiming to secure $1 billion a year in battery minerals,...
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mooray

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doublejj said:
all new homes in Cali must have solar roofs....soon all homes will charge teslas....EV's are a no brainer
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Ultimately, if it requires more parts en masse, it's the wrong answer. Drive less, farm more. Do it out of your own free will, or future generations will do it without a choice.
 
MICHI-CAN

MICHI-CAN

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doublejj said:
Black kids in Australia?....
electrek.co

Tesla aims to secure $1 billion a year in battery minerals from Australia

Tesla has confirmed through its chairwoman that the automaker is aiming to secure $1 billion a year in battery minerals,...
electrek.co electrek.co
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A bunch of people with better than average tans. Only one predominantly of color as recognized. Sorry I poked the guy.

Hello and hope you are well.
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Lithium global reserves top countries 2023 | Statista

In 2023, reserves of lithium in Chile amounted to an estimated 9.3 million metric tons, the largest worldwide.
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mooray

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It's impossible to win. Our problems stem from needing to be gluttonous users of energy and everything here is either very finite, or very toxic, or both. Nickel mines aren't so hot either. Just look into how any of these minerals are processed. It's not done with flowers and smiles, though we like to pretend they are so we can feel good about ourselves, but the same shit is going on behind the curtain.
 
doublejj

doublejj

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mooray said:
It's impossible to win. Our problems stem from needing to be gluttonous users of energy and everything here is either very finite, or very toxic, or both. Nickel mines aren't so hot either. Just look into how any of these minerals are processed. It's not done with flowers and smiles.
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we used to hunt whales for fuel oil......were making progress
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mooray

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Well they're still using cobalt from the Congo, but making money isn't much of a metric, because people in oil and gas crush it. One of the few industries where you don't need to graduate high school to make 100k/yr.
 
doublejj

doublejj

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mooray said:
Well they're still using cobalt from the Congo, but making money isn't much of a metric, because people in oil and gas crush it. One of the few industries where you don't need to graduate high school to make 100k/yr.
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They better join with the coal miners and learn to code.....
 
TacoMac

TacoMac

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mooray said:
Actually, we're just moving from one medium to another after we destroy them.
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Exactly. The fact that a great many electric cars are charged via coal fired and propane powered power plants doesn't remove any carbon output at all.

It just moves it from the tail pipe of a car to the exhaust towers of power plants under increased demand.
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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The whole concept of electrification is to reduce the carbon foot print. Every major population centre in Canada now has this goal in their future plan. Yes the majority of power (here) has a carbon foot print but that is changing as more solar/wind and other means of generation come on line and fossil fuel plants are legislated closed (see Ontario coal fired plants) Do we just stop trying because no option is perfect? Better decide quick or your grandkids are not going to have a good time :(.
 
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mooray

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Budley Doright said:
The whole concept of electrification is to reduce the carbon foot print. Every major population centre in Canada now has this goal in their future plan. Yes the majority of power (here) has a carbon foot print but that is changing as more solar/wind and other means of generation come on line and fossil fuel plants are legislated closed (see Ontario coal fired plants) Do we just stop trying because no option is perfect? Better decide quick or your grandkids are not going to have a good time :(.
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No no, I've said ten times the best thing you do when you buy a tesla is contribute to furthering the technology. The issue is with thinking that good things are actually happening when you buy one. A tesla may be relatively better, as in, it's relatively better to only rape twelve women instead of fifteen, but it's still deep into the bad category.

Lots of bad environmental things are still happening when you buy a tesla, but there's this drunken fanboi element that keeps people from seeing it. They're cool cars and I'd love to have one, but they're still environmental disasters, just maybe a little bit less of an environmental disaster, though we don't really know, because who knows what happens when there are 20 million a year being recycled.

My only fight here is against the ridiculous overhyping them into being some rolling garden of eden, when really they're rolling cancer clusters just like the rest of them. Beginner hippie level 1 people(i.e. electricity will save us!!) love them, but someday people need to make it to level 2(i.e. oh shit, the problem is actually consumption of any medium, because everything is either very toxic or very finite).
 
doublejj

doublejj

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mooray said:
No no, I've said ten times the best thing you do when you buy a tesla is contribute to furthering the technology. The issue is with thinking that good things are actually happening when you buy one. A tesla may be relatively better, as in, it's relatively better to only rape twelve women instead of fifteen, but it's still deep into the bad category.

Lots of bad environmental things are still happening when you buy a tesla, but there's this drunken fanboi element that keeps people from seeing it. They're cool cars and I'd love to have one, but they're still environmental disasters, just maybe a little bit less of an environmental disaster, though we don't really know, because who knows what happens when there are 20 million a year being recycled.

My only fight here is against the ridiculous overhyping them into being some rolling garden of eden, when really they're rolling cancer clusters just like the rest of them. Beginner hippie level 1 people(i.e. electricity will save us!!) love them, but someday people need to make it to level 2(i.e. oh shit, the problem is actually consumption of any medium, because everything is either very toxic or very finite).
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a tesla is no more of a environmental disaster than the device your typing on.
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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mooray said:
No no, I've said ten times the best thing you do when you buy a tesla is contribute to furthering the technology. The issue is with thinking that good things are actually happening when you buy one. A tesla may be relatively better, as in, it's relatively better to only rape twelve women instead of fifteen, but it's still deep into the bad category.

Lots of bad environmental things are still happening when you buy a tesla, but there's this drunken fanboi element that keeps people from seeing it. They're cool cars and I'd love to have one, but they're still environmental disasters, just maybe a little bit less of an environmental disaster, though we don't really know, because who knows what happens when there are 20 million a year being recycled.

My only fight here is against the ridiculous overhyping them into being some rolling garden of eden, when really they're rolling cancer clusters just like the rest of them. Beginner hippie level 1 people(i.e. electricity will save us!!) love them, but someday people need to make it to level 2(i.e. oh shit, the problem is actually consumption of any medium, because everything is either very toxic or very finite).
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Ummm I couldn’t care less about the actual car. Never once stated I like the car! So yes your right, consumption. Not a new concept lol.
 
TacoMac

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doublejj said:
a tesla is no more of a environmental disaster than the device your typing on.
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That's true. Especially when it comes to recycling. Most of a tesla can be: the plastics, tires, copper windings, motors, etc. With a computer, pretty much nothing can.
 
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mooray

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doublejj said:
a tesla is no more of a environmental disaster than the device your typing on.
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LOL! For someone with 50k in solar panels, I'd have expected you to know a little more about power consumption, not to mention 5lbs of junk versus 5000lbs.
 
doublejj

doublejj

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mooray said:
LOL! For someone with 50k in solar panels, I'd have expected you to know a little more about power consumption, not to mention 5lbs of junk versus 5000lbs.
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so you ride a horse....at least you can eat it when it dies
 
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