American Wildfires

[Funkentelechy]

I'm not leaving......not just yet, I was born here, I'd like to die here. I've thought about leaving many times, the problem is I really like a specific microclimate and so if I were to move I would probably eventually end up in the same situation in a different place.
I also believe that our greed put us in this situation and I believe that if we motivate humans greed correctly it could eventually get us out.
I'm not the kind of person that walks away from a problem.....even in times when I probably should, I'm a bit of a hopeless optimist. We'll see what I'm saying in ten years from now though, lol.
Before the Dixie fire, my buddy and I were working on building a tiny home business and I like the idea of being able to move my house out of the way of a disaster. Or to be able to quickly move housing into an area that needs it after a disaster. I believe everywhere is going to be fucked by climate change eventually, we are all going to have to change our preconceptions.

Also, with climate change, it could go the other way it could cool off and/or rain for the next decade or two. I'm trying to adapt, to react without being reactive.

We'll see how that goes.

 

[Fogdog]

I'm not leaving......not just yet, I was born here, I'd like to die here. I've thought about leaving many times, the problem is I really like a specific microclimate and so if I were to move I would probably eventually end up in the same situation in a different place.
I also believe that our greed put us in this situation and I believe that if we motivate humans greed correctly it could eventually get us out.
I'm not the kind of person that walks away from a problem.....even in times when I probably should, I'm a bit of a hopeless optimist. We'll see what I'm saying in ten years from now though, lol.
Before the Dixie fire, my buddy and I were working on building a tiny home business and I like the idea of being able to move my house out of the way of a disaster. Or to be able to quickly move housing into an area that needs it after a disaster. I believe everywhere is going to be fucked by climate change eventually, we are all going to have to change our preconceptions.

Also, with climate change, it could go the other way it could cool off and/or rain for the next decade or two. I'm trying to adapt, to react without being reactive.

We'll see how that goes.

It won't "go the other way and cool off". Enriching the earth's atmosphere with greenhouse gasses only causes the earth's climate to warm.

Yes, some areas will see more rain and flooding. Not due to cooling but due to warming oceans.

That said, a city of mobile tiny homes is an interesting one.

 

[xtsho]

Oregon isn’t looking so hot(no pun) lately.

Oregon is awesome. I'm a native so I'm biased. The Portland area is a great place to live. All that stuff on the news recently happened in a few areas and outside of those there was nothing going on.

Get outside of Portland and you're in Beaverton, Tualatin, and other very nice areas. Good schools, neighborhoods, shopping, etc... A little over an hour from the coast and an hour from Mt Hood. Portland and all of Oregon is a great place to live. Lots of things to do. Lots of waterways if you are into boating. Hiking, snowboarding, fishing, etc...

 

[Aeroknow]

Oregon is awesome. I'm a native so I'm biased. The Portland area is a great place to live. All that stuff on the news recently happened in a few areas and outside of those there was nothing going on.

Get outside of Portland and you're in Beaverton, Tualatin, and other very nice areas. Good schools, neighborhoods, shopping, etc... A little over an hour from the coast and an hour from Mt Hood. Portland and all of Oregon is a great place to live. Lots of things to do. Lots of waterways if you are into boating. Hiking, snowboarding, fishing, etc...

Whatcha think about this area outside portland
i fish allot. I’ve never been up the coast past when going to Humboldt. I’ve been up in bumb fucked Egypt flat land towns up there on the 5 when i was a kid.

 

[Cycad]

I don't think that N CA or Oregon will be as they were for much longer. Repeated wildfires will destroy all the forests and create a savannah-style landscape. I'd begin preparing by stopping the N--S electrical grid, instead interconnecting with Canada, leave the unpowered lines up for emergency use only. Where lower power HV transmission is needed, bury the lines. Decide which parts of which forests are to be safeguarded and cut huge firebreaks around them. Ten years in jail for anyone found lighting a fire away from their own property.

 

[xtsho]

Whatcha think about this area outside portland
i fish allot. I’ve never been up the coast past when going to Humboldt. I’ve been up in bumb fucked Egypt flat land towns up there on the 5 when i was a kid.
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I think that area is some beautiful land. The Columbia river is in the top 20 biggest rivers in the world. The Columbia river bar is a nasty bitch sometimes. They have river pilots that get on ships to guide them down the river and into the docks in Portland. It's a 70 mile journey down the river.

Northwest Oregon is a great place to live. It's getting expensive though. A house that sold for $110,000 20 years ago is now selling for $500,000 and people are getting cash offers the same day they list. Crazy real estate prices but I got in before the hype so I'm doing just fine.

 

[Budley Doright]

I think that area is some beautiful land. The Columbia river is in the top 20 biggest rivers in the world. The Columbia river bar is a nasty bitch sometimes. They have river pilots that get on ships to guide them down the river and into the docks in Portland. It's a 70 mile journey down the river.

Northwest Oregon is a great place to live. It's getting expensive though. A house that sold for $110,000 20 years ago is now selling for $500,000 and people are getting cash offers the same day they list. Crazy real estate prices but I got in before the hype so I'm doing just fine.

A house that sold here for that 20 years ago is now well over a million .... it’s crazy

 

[CatHedral]

Whatcha think about this area outside portland
i fish allot. I’ve never been up the coast past when going to Humboldt. I’ve been up in bumb fucked Egypt flat land towns up there on the 5 when i was a kid.
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Just choose a spot 400 feet above sea level. When ice sheets come apart it is not slow.

 

[Fogdog]

I don't think that N CA or Oregon will be as they were for much longer. Repeated wildfires will destroy all the forests and create a savannah-style landscape. I'd begin preparing by stopping the N--S electrical grid, instead interconnecting with Canada, leave the unpowered lines up for emergency use only. Where lower power HV transmission is needed, bury the lines. Decide which parts of which forests are to be safeguarded and cut huge firebreaks around them. Ten years in jail for anyone found lighting a fire away from their own property.

In about 50 years, the climate in the Willamette Valley will be more like the climate in Redding California of a few years ago. The Doug Fir forests are going to be replaced by brown hills. It's all going to burn off. We are at the beginning stages of what climate scientists have been warning us about.

One problem with such rapid change is that there is almost no time for adaptation. We aren't ready for it and neither are the plants and animals that evolved in a temperate rain forest. When it goes, it will be replaced by weeds, like cheatgrass, not a savannah. Maybe a thousand or ten thousand years from now the environment will have adapted. But for now, it's like a scene from John Bruner's sci fi novel written in the 1972 -- "The Sheep Look Up"

 

[Budley Doright]

In about 50 years, the climate in the Willamette Valley will be more like the climate in Redding California of a few years ago. The Doug Fir forests are going to be replaced by brown hills. It's all going to burn off. We are at the beginning stages of what climate scientists have been warning us about.

One problem with such rapid change is that there is almost no time for adaptation. We aren't ready for it and neither are the plants and animals that evolved in a temperate rain forest. When it goes, it will be replaced by weeds, like cheatgrass, not a savannah. Maybe a thousand or ten thousand years from now the environment will have adapted. But for now, it's like a scene from John Bruner's sci fi novel written in the 1972 -- "The Sheep Look Up"

I watched the news Thursday morning last week and it was like watching one of a dozen end of world (as we now know it) movies. I shut the news off and eat two gummies , if I could have stuck my head in the sand I would have . I was getting quite anxious for my kids to have kids but at this point I’ve stopped wanting that, I’m thinking their life will be pretty fucked up. I’m as much to blame as everyone else to have contributed to this shit show re big trucks, gas guzzling toys, ignoring the fact we destroyed our planet with greed ........... sad

 

[Moldy]

The Water Footprint of Energy

Energy production - especially thermoelectric power production - uses a lot of water for once-through cooling. So does refining transportation fuels.

www.watercalculator.org

I wasn't aware of the amount of water used to refine gasoline and electricity until I heard a blip during a news clip yesterday not to mention the production of farm commodities. Crap.

 

[CatHedral]

I watched the news Thursday morning last week and it was like watching one of a dozen end of world (as we now know it) movies. I shut the news off and eat two gummies , if I could have stuck my head in the sand I would have . I was getting quite anxious for my kids to have kids but at this point I’ve stopped wanting that, I’m thinking their life will be pretty fucked up. I’m as much to blame as everyone else to have contributed to this shit show re big trucks, gas guzzling toys, ignoring the fact we destroyed our planet with greed ........... sad

 

[Dr.Amber Trichome]

I watched the news Thursday morning last week and it was like watching one of a dozen end of world (as we now know it) movies. I shut the news off and eat two gummies , if I could have stuck my head in the sand I would have . I was getting quite anxious for my kids to have kids but at this point I’ve stopped wanting that, I’m thinking their life will be pretty fucked up. I’m as much to blame as everyone else to have contributed to this shit show re big trucks, gas guzzling toys, ignoring the fact we destroyed our planet with greed ........... sad

Some people contribute more to this shit show then others. My carbon foot print has always been minimal , for one I never had children . Who would want to ever bring in a child to this fucked up world? It’s too late to save the planet. Without China and India on board to help, well, game over. I rent and can move anytime I feel like it if need be . You know, just quit my job,
Pack up and split.... in these time you just never know what’s in store. Have a bit of cash handy to keep you afloat for a while and start over somewhere else safer. The environment and society will continue to deteriorate at a rapid pace and everyone has to come to terms with it in their own way. Good luck.

 

[Funkentelechy]

Whatcha think about this area outside portland
I fish allot. I’ve never been up the coast past when going to Humboldt. I’ve been up in bumb fucked Egypt flat land towns up there on the 5 when i was a kid.
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Astoria is where they filmed The Goonies(and kindergarten cop, and a few others) so you gotta love that. Personally, I'd move there before I would move to the big island, no offense to Hawaiians, but the idea of living on an island makes me feel claustrophobic. If the supply chain went down, for whatever reason, I know I wouldn't be the biggest, meanest person on the islands. Hawaiians aren't cannibals, but if it were a Donner party type situation where it was eat or be eaten I bet I taste better than Spam.

If we were to break up PG&E into several smaller local utility companies then California would be a much safer place to live. Creating a greater number of more local microgrids with fewer long-distance transmission lines would go a long way towards reducing mega-fires in the area and would better serve the needs of the people who live here.

 

[mooray]

Far more important than the size of pge is the profit motive. San Bruno exemplifies it perfectly.

 

[Budley Doright]

Some people contribute more to this shit show then others. My carbon foot print has always been minimal , for one I never had children . Who would want to ever bring in a child to this fucked up world? It’s too late to save the planet. Without China and India on board to help, well, game over. I rent and can move anytime I feel like it if need be . You know, just quit my job,
Pack up and split.... in these time you just never know what’s in store. Have a bit of cash handy to keep you afloat for a while and start over somewhere else safer. The environment and society will continue to deteriorate at a rapid pace and everyone has to come to terms with it in their own way. Good luck.

I’m 60 so I doubt I’ll see the full effect but you never know. Unfortunately my roots are well established so if I move it will be quite the life changing event .

 

[Dr.Amber Trichome]

I’m 60 so I doubt I’ll see the full effect but you never know. Unfortunately my roots are well established so if I move it will be quite the life changing event .

Your still young! It’s not as hard as you think . How much of the shit do you have that you actually use on a daily basis? Material stuff is just stuff that’s holding you down like a ball and chain. If you get rid of it chances are you won’t even miss it after a couple days . Lol.

 

[xtsho]

Coco growers in Portland Oregon will be able to grow coconut palms in a few years and harvest their own coir.

My Okra is doing great and I have a Jewel Yam going crazy. Going to have to adapt the plants in the garden for the changing climate.

 

[Funkentelechy]

Far more important than the size of pge is the profit motive. San Bruno exemplifies it perfectly.

The only reason I bring up the size of power grids is that if we weren't transporting power over such long distances there wouldn't be as many fires via long-distance transmission lines. Although to be clear I'm not proposing that we have a fully independent grid, like Texas, that didn't work out that well.
I think a network of grids that remain interconnected in case of emergencies, but operate independently so as to reduce the distances that we transport power and thus reduce the number of long-distance transmission lines that are powered at a given time, would reduce the frequency of fires. Particularly in difficult to access areas like the Feather River Canyon where the Camp and Dixie fires started.

But you're totally right, the explosion in San Bruno was 100% a result of result corporate greed. If you make enough money, you are exempt from accountability it seems.

 

[Budley Doright]

Your still young! It’s not as hard as you think . How much of the shit do you have that you actually use on a daily basis? Material stuff is just stuff that’s holding you down like a ball and chain. If you get rid of it chances are you won’t even miss it after a couple days . Lol.

No your right I could downsize if I truly wanted to but I don’t lol. I’ll let the kids sort out the 2 garages full of stuff or call in the pickers lol. I would give it a thought if I was stressed about fire like the western and northern continent .