So you're complaining about something that you pay for and enjoy?
The dream is dead.
- Thread starter Lucky Luke
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CatHedral
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Non sequitur. And oh yes we can. And should.
BodegaBud
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I was joking with that other dude. What are you talking about?
It's like three posts back. I'm sure you can sort it out.
Lucky Luke
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Only if you don't understand it. Approx 3% of income tax has always gone towards our gov pension fund. This was a separate and self sustaining fund until John Howard transferred it into general revenue, Its our money that we get back when we reach retirement age. A pension by the way that is worked out on someone owning their own home. I dont know of any Australian who begrudgers old age pensioners... I don't think anyone would begrudge a little tax for people with disabilities? Also a little bit towards anyone finding themselves out of work- something that i've used off and on through out life.
I thought you would of been more interested in how inexpensive Health cover is for me...
Budley Doright
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Yes that’s true but the personal income tax they pay is also full of loopholes tied to the corporation that they borrow against …. Can someone say stock options
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Lucky Luke
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Is that written in your Constitution? If it is perhaps you should change it.
Budley Doright
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Go figure
news.yahoo.com
The billionaire who hates the wealth tax says that 'there's no sympathy for billionaires' and that the ultrawealthy are being attacked 'for no reason'
Democrats' idea of a billionaires' tax is "baloney," Leon Cooperman said. He suggested closing loopholes and raising the income tax instead.
BodegaBud
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I’d rather keep my money in my pocket instead of trusting the government to hold onto for me for a later date. That’s fine to have a safety net but unless I’m reading that chart wrong most of your taxes goes towards welfare!?!? If you have that many people on welfare then how many are actually contributing towards that retirement which you all share? Yes you have lower healthcare but that’s because you get taxed to death. I’d rather pay out of my pocket for myself not for the entire community as well. How does your tax system work over there? Sounds draining. Those entitlements are a bad thing for a country imho.
I really wish you and Rob Roy had that personalized option. I would like for you to choose to pay zero taxes and also not receive anything that other people's taxes have paid for. You can always move to some parts of Alaska and have no income/sales/property tax.
BodegaBud
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Messing with the constitution would not only be impossible but would destroy our rights. It protects our free speech, against unwarranted search and seizure, as well as protecting people against things like slavery. Just opening the door to that would impact everyone negatively in one way or another regardless of who they are
BodegaBud
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It's not binary, so the question is flawed from the start with an oversimplification. Some money is spent well, some is obviously not. Sometimes you just have to deal with imperfection, because it's not possible to truly reach people on an individual level unless you want to grow the government by 100x. So, let's take certain types of welfare for example, there is lots of abuse that goes on, but do I want to keep giving it to the people that need it at the cost/waste of those that don't? For now, yes I do, because I don't want to screw the 95% out of spite for the 5%.
Unless you want to grow the thing you hate(gov't/taxes/waste), you're just not going to get rid of the thing you also hate(abuse). Many of our economic perceptions come from cliche american narcissism, thinking we're totally amazing and can do anything! If that were ever true, many problems would have been solved. In reality, we're not that amazing and improvements come over many years over many very small refinements.
Fogdog
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That wall? When did Mexico pay for it?
UncleBuck
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my taxes fund your social security check. you dont even work.
UncleBuck
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guarantee you dont work and rely on social security and medicare funded by my taxes. also youre mentally retarded
UncleBuck
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you guys tried to change the constitution to stop gay peoplke from getting married. shut the fuck up.
BodegaBud
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Many states voted against it. California had voted for prop 8 which against it and it passed. Nobody tried to change the constitution you guys tried to change the definition of marriage so you shut the fuck up
BodegaBud
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It’s just the Bay Area some of the larger cities that have the loons. Unfortunately they are polluting the rest of the state. Same for Minnesota. Used to be a nice state but the shit hole cities screw it up