Another gun thread

[CatHedral]

be aware of wind direction!

uhm, Yes.

 

[canndo]

Yep. 100K opioid deaths in a year. If not for covid it would lead the news most nights.

People aren't examining this "opioid" epidemic very clearly.

Those who take pills for what ever reason rarely accidentally od on them. It's too granular a practice and the opiate experienced is unlikely to stop breathing on even double or triple his dose.

No, it goes like this. Suddenly make the most used and popular opiate, hydrocodone and change its schedule.

Claim its in order to save the folks from the evil of addiction.

When doctors are good and fearful of prescribing them, send the poor, functionally addicted and likely pain ridden patients into the streets.

Now seriously deplete heroin supplies across the nation and add in cheap fentanyl shipped from China, $2000 an ounce, Alibaba.
And just to satisfy those who would rather have pills, counterfeit all of them using fentanyl, poorly.

And there is your pandemic of opiates.

Perdue and the pill mills were never the cause of massive overdose.

 

[CatHedral]

Oookaaaayyy-
So I’m not allowed to call
Methylenedioxymethamphetamine(MDMA)-
“Meth”??

You are allowed to make as much of an ignorant fool of yourself as you can bear. Be my guest and don’t let me stand in your way.

 

[Budley Doright]

Coyotes here are mostly liked by farmers who know they reduce gopher populations which in turn reduces gopher holes. A lot of farmers are reluctant to allow hunting coyotes.

 

[mooray]

I wasn't going to reply but I'll bite.

I don't know you but if I had to guess, I'd say you are a liberal or left leaning. Why? Because you feel the need to tell me I'm wrong, think I'm misinformed, and tell me what I should read.

I am anti social media also.

I draw my own opinion by real world situations. My city and circle is well diverse. Every day I live with, work with, and am around people of different races, sexes, religions, wealth gaps, and cultures. We all get along. The people who care to vote, do. Regardless of race. I have some successful friends that are minorities that work really hard. I can go on but it will be redundant.

My point, everything the media says, is not what I experienced in real life. If I believed the news, I would think that we are living in a terrible, racist, sexist country. I'm not blind to the fact that these things happen, I believe just not as much as the media wants you to believe. Good people exist. I know that for fact but no link to send you.

His way addresses the individual, whereas you focus on the entity. You'd rather blame "fake news" and "social media" and all that does is push the government to create laws to restrict how a business operates. His way allows those businesses to operate how they see fit and then, whether those businesses act shitty or not, doesn't matter, because the individual is improved and unaffected. Blaming the media is how people blame their own failings on someone else, it represents a lack of individual accountability....you know....something that conservatives care about, but not republicans.

 

[MAGpie81]

You are allowed to make as much of an ignorant fool of yourself as you can bear. Be my guest and don’t let me stand in your way.

Last question-
So, there is only one type of Meth according to you, and that type is?

 

[canndo]

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This thread was a good read and touched on many topics. The name calling and bashing were at a minimum which I personally like.

The topic of civil war is interesting to me. Seems many talk about it, but I doubt it would ever happen. Like you, I don't consider myself a dem or rep, but unlike you, I lean a little more conservative but at my own judgment, nothing to do with what a party is telling me.

I don't think its about who has the guns, more about who is willing to fight. Which, I bet is not very many. There wouldn't be red coat vs blue coats, or whites vs minorities. You might not even know who was on the other side until it was too late, being many don't express their politics and a lot, just want to be happy. All military and law enforcement are people just like you and I. They have family and opinions just like we do. I would hope they would put down their arms before killing people on the other side over politics, whatever that might be.

I can honestly say, in the last hundred years, many things have changed, and I hope we can all agree that they are for the better, or at least we are making progress as a society. And I believe that's what we should focus on. Continual improvement.

I have come to terms that society will never be perfect. You will always have hatred, racism, and just the random rouge person who is hell bent on taking people lives. I don't think there will ever be a law or restriction that will stop people like that. Sad but true.

I see one common enemy. The media.. They are pushing people on the left and right to be more extreme and creating division using propaganda and politics, that both sides. I'm sure our elected and not elected officials are at fault too by creating division. We are stronger together and some don't see that any and all politicians stay in power by people following them blindly, or sticking to exactly what one party says instead of making up their own minds about each individual topic. And many of our leaders are getting rich by selling out on laws that aren't good for us, but will line their own pockets. To me, those people are the real enemies.

I love the fact that we do live in a constitutional republic and not a true democracy. That the God given rights granted to us cannot be taken away by the majority no matter what direction we head in the future. I wish many people would come to terms with that. Seems to be the reason many of us fight and argue.

I have the right to free speech, the right to bare arms, and many other rights. It is not up to any individual to silence, nor try to impede on my rights. If you don't like guns, don't get one. Don't like what I say, ignore me. I believe the same about abortions and many other things. I believe any crime should be judged on the facts brought in a trial. For example, if someone does a mass shooting, that person should be charged, and not the means of them doing it. A bad cop, shouldn't represent the good ones. An irresponsible gun owner shouldn't have anything to do with those that are responsible, or the responsible ones shouldn't face any penalty or scrutiny from anyone by the actions of someone else. Above all, I believe in freedom.

If I was hell bent anti gun, anti gay, anti black or white and it consumed my thoughts on a daily basis, I would find a country that suited my beliefs better instead of trying to change the founding principal of the country I live in, America.

I know I might get bashed for some of my views, or the simple saying that I love America and that doesn't bother me. Its your God given right to disagree. I am just proud of all that we accomplished as a nation. I know there is a lot of work to be done, but together with compromise, compassion, and understanding, I think we are on a path of continuous improvement, and that is a good thing.

For a long time I figured that we as a society were getting better, civil rights, why there were even black faces on that TV that weren't the help.

Woman's equality, look, women executives! And Murphy brown is having a child out of wedlock.

But then we got cell phones and the internet and the truth, nothing ever really changed.

And finally, we elected a game show host who orchestrated an attempted coup.

So, I can't say I agree with the notion that things are getting better.

 

[CatHedral]

Oookaaaayyy-
So I’m not allowed to call
Methylenedioxymethamphetamine(MDMA)-
“Meth”??

Also- does street Speed not affect the brain in a similar (near-identical) way as Adderall or MDMA?

Honestly not sure what your point is.
But I’m not going to tell you what’s real or not as you are obviously much more educated than me, and to do so would be authoritarian

My point is that if you decide on personal definitions of words that are not in the professional lexicon, you disqualify yourself from educated discourse.

Are you suggesting that insisting on a correct usage of a term of professional art is authoritarian?

 

[OG-KGP]

His way addresses the individual, whereas you focus on the entity. You'd rather blame "fake news" and "social media" and all that does is push the government to create laws to restrict how a business operates. His way allows those businesses to operate how they see fit and then, whether those businesses act shitty or not, doesn't matter, because the individual is improved and unaffected. Blaming the media is how people blame their own failings on someone else, it represents a lack of individual accountability....you know....something that conservatives care about, but not republicans.

I just won't allow a person, politician, or media outlet to tell me how to think. Reporting news is one thing, but put an opinion on it, and it's just that.. opinion.

I draw my own opinion by myself and what these eyes see.

If you read my first post, personal accountability is exactly what I support.

 

[Fogdog]

I wasn't going to reply but I'll bite.

I don't know you but if I had to guess, I'd say you are a liberal or left leaning. Why? Because you feel the need to tell me I'm wrong, think I'm misinformed, and tell me what I should read.

I am anti social media also.

I draw my own opinion by real world situations. My city and circle is well diverse. Every day I live with, work with, and am around people of different races, sexes, religions, wealth gaps, and cultures. We all get along. The people who care to vote, do. Regardless of race. I have some successful friends that are minorities that work really hard. I can go on but it will be redundant.

My point, everything the media says, is not what I experienced in real life. If I believed the news, I would think that we are living in a terrible, racist, sexist country. I'm not blind to the fact that these things happen, I believe just not as much as the media wants you to believe. Good people exist. I know that for fact but no link to send you.

Agree that one should not get their news from Fox, Newsmax, OAN or any of the many right wing radio stations pumping out garbage propaganda 7/24.

If you are happy in your cone of silence, who am I to say otherwise? If you want to expand your understanding of the world, suggest you try listening or reading from sources that only report facts based journalism with high standard for accuracy and low bias. There are many out there and I can suggest some sites for starters. But I wouldn't just go to one source, cross-checking is important too.

You may thank me now. .

 

[CatHedral]

Last question-
So, there is only one type of Meth according to you, and that type is?

I specified it unambiguously. You did not read post 388.

 

[Fogdog]

I just won't allow a person, politician, or media outlet to tell me how to think. Reporting news is one thing, but put an opinion on it, and it's just that.. opinion.

I draw my own opinion by myself and what these eyes see.

If you read my first post, personal accountability is exactly what I support.

Exactly.

Trump was the worst. Glad we agree.

 

[mooray]

I just won't allow a person, politician, or media outlet to tell me how to think. Reporting news is one thing, but put an opinion on it, and it's just that.. opinion.

I draw my own opinion by myself and what these eyes see.

If you read my first post, personal accountability is exactly what I support.

So if you're not affected by them, then why do you blame them?

 

[OG-KGP]

But then we got cell phones and the internet and the truth, nothing ever really changed.

Or is that just what your internet and cellphone is telling you? Kind of proves my point.

IMO, many woman are more successful than they were 20 years ago.. Minorities are doing much better than 20 years ago. I see the change. It's much different opinion than my cell phone says. Can we do better? Sure.

If perfection is the goal, we would be fighting forever. Continuous improvement is what I want and see.

 

[mooray]

Or is that just what your internet and cellphone is telling you? Kind of proves my point.

IMO, many woman are more successful than they were 20 years ago.. Minorities are doing much better than 20 years ago. I see the change. It's much different opinion than my cell phone says. Can we do better? Sure.

If perfection is the goal, we would be fighting forever. Continuous improvement is what I want and see.

What about hate for minorities, would you say that's better than 20 years ago?

 

[canndo]

Thanks for the reply but in my opinion, if you think one party is good and the other as bad, I personally think you have the blinders on. I feel both sides are equally terrible and our a common threat to all of us. I do not trust, nor blindly follow either.

That's just too easy and too easy is rarely very accurate.

"Well each is as bad as the other I tell yah!" Usually denotes a lack of examination.

 

[OG-KGP]

What about hate for minorities, would you say that's better than 20 years ago?

I can only give my opinion.

Yes, I believe hate for minorities is down. I understand that for any cause, there has to be a fight. Even martyrs.

For example, if the death of George Floyd, made police more accountable for their actions against minorities, then yes. As a whole, it did get better. Blacks were targeted by the police 20 years ago. Still are today, but again, my opinion at a lesser rate than 20 years ago. With millions of people upset, an example was made. I bet that every police force in the nation was briefed about it. No officer, police force, or sherif department wants a Derrick Chauvin on the squad today.

 

[OG-KGP]

That's just too easy and too easy is rarely very accurate.

"Well each is as bad as the other I tell yah!" Usually denotes a lack of examination.

Your opinion. Not here to change yours. Only express mine.

 

[canndo]

Or is that just what your internet and cellphone is telling you? Kind of proves my point.

IMO, many woman are more successful than they were 20 years ago.. Minorities are doing much better than 20 years ago. I see the change. It's much different opinion than my cell phone says. Can we do better? Sure.

If perfection is the goal, we would be fighting forever. Continuous improvement is what I want and see.

No, it doesn't prove your point. Cellphones and the internet are the reason we know that, say, police tend to kneel on black peoples necks till they expire. Video and a method of distributing those slices of reality.

There is no continuous improvement in overthrowing a democratic process. There is no continuous improvement in a single man thwarting the will and needs of the rest of the country.

There is no continuous improvement in a tornado that stays on the ground for several hundred miles after record fires after record floods after record drought while people in power do nothing.

There is no continuous improvement in a pandemic that has killed 800,000 but will not be recognized by anti vaxxers and anti maskers.

There is no continuous improvement in deputizing everyone in Texas to sue anyone who helps a woman with an abortion and having that law stick

 

[mooray]

I can only give my opinion.

Yes, I believe hate for minorities is down. I understand that for any cause, there has to be a fight. Even martyrs.

For example, if the death of George Floyd, made police more accountable for their actions against minorities, then yes. As a whole, it did get better. Blacks were targeted by the police 20 years ago. Still are today, but again, my opinion at a lesser rate than 20 years ago. With millions of people upset, an example was made. I bet that every police force in the nation was briefed about it. No officer, police force, or sherif department wants a Derrick Chauvin on the squad today.

What happens when you search around looking for information about the number of hate groups and/or members in recent years? Do you find that your opinion aligns, or conflicts, with that information?