Fogdog
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it wasn't funny but gave me a wry smile.
January 6th hearings on Trump's failed insurrection.
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CunningCanuk
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There are no borders on the internet. Besides, it’s the Politics section not the US Politics section. Here, like most everywhere else, US politics dominates.
Case in point, a couple of Aussies started a thread about the Australian dream and naturally, it became a thread about the American dream.
Don’t cry for attention and get pissed when people watch.
Sir Napsalot
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subwax
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Not nearly as diverse??? Clearly not been to London recently. Thats your first mistake.
No racism??? Sadly, thats mistake #2
Whats being white got to do with anything? Poor is poor, regardless of skin colour. There's a lot of mention of skin colour in your post - this is usually indicative of someone who has racist undertones.
Fogdog
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he's not as dumb as that post makes him seem.
Sir Napsalot
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subwax
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Sorry - not really clear - are you referring to me?
subwax
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Neither, but the question that seems to want to justify using skin colour does trouble me.
UK is not nearly is diverse as America. If you think differently, that's your first mistake. I'm not talking about London, chap.
I said, and I'll quote. "there is no racism in countries that don't have multiple ethnic groups but still have classes of society" I'm not talking about UK. Sadly, that was your second mistake. My point was that other countries struggle with the same classes of society even when they all have the same skin color. The same way we do here but call it something totally different.
What's being white have to do with anything? That was referencing the monarchy. Has there or will there ever be a black King of England or maybe Hispanic or Asian? If you say yes, that would be your third mistake. Glad to see England doing so much better than the US when it comes to race... If you think that last statement wasn't sarcastic, that would have been your fourth.
Your reply says it all.
Fogdog
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I don't think you are jaded, could be you are right. It could also be that the whole process of bringing the Trumps to justice will fail when Republicans win back the House and Senate next fall.
It can all change very quickly. The Republican conspiracy to overthrow our government had a lot of people involved and a lot of moving parts. It only takes a windfall in evidence or the turning of a key conspirator to flip the whole thing around. This might have happened already and we don't know. I'm not saying this has or will happen, just saying that cynic might say and believe the system is rigged without any evidence while a skeptic might say justice is slow and not certain. We might predict the same outcome eventually but the skeptic needs more information to before they would agree that its rigged.
subwax
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You literally have no clue about what you are talking about. I am embarrassed for you. Spent a lot of time over in the UK, have you? No - thought not.
Please show me the study thats shows the diversity in the UK, or you are talking out of your arse, yet again.
Aaaahhh - so its all about the US being the "best country in the world" that has made you start crying, is it? Oh well - cant pretend to care about your opinion.
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Fogdog
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Newp, I was talking about the person you were replying to. This language thing always trips me up.
Sir Napsalot
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You do seem troubled
subwax
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These are troubling times.
I do question how much merit is put on skin colour. History books will show what happens when skin colour becomes the definition of who someone is. I hear talk like this from 2 sets of people - my parents and older people, or Americans, I am sad to say. Used to hear it all the time in South Africa, but not so much now. Progress at last.
I do question how much merit is put on skin colour. History books will show what happens when skin colour becomes the definition of who someone is. I hear talk like this from 2 sets of people - my parents and older people, or Americans, I am sad to say. Used to hear it all the time in South Africa, but not so much now. Progress at last.
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CunningCanuk
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Look at you, going on about a country you obviously know nothing about while complaining about people doing that about your country.
If you think that isn’t hypocritical, that’s your second mistake.
hanimmal
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I would point out that the vast geographical majority of white America barely sees more than one (maybe if that) non-white person on a daily basis. It really is only the last couple decades that our minority population has been able to move into the white flight suburbs that were built up in the 1940's-1970's mostly due to all sorts of issues.
The racists over the last decade and a half are in greater contact with non-white people and the ability to record daily interactions (due to cell phone cameras) has drastically increased.
So it is not that things have not gotten far better here in America, it is just that like someone else said, the bad interactions are just so much more visible. And with the social media trolling, it gets amplified and shown so much that it does seem overwhelming and worse than ever before, but it is not.
From the little I read about it, a lot of Brexit was more about xenophobia of non white Muslims moving into the country. The attack on the UK society was the same as it was here, amplifying the very worst events over and over again to stoke those nationalist feelings.
It really is the same strategy that the attack on our democracy is doing, but we have more history with the black/white divide than any other nation.
Racism is real, and has always been everywhere humans are.
But basing your understanding of what is going on because of the amount of videos that can be spammed across all forms of media is not a realistic way to go about judging if there is more racism today. There is just far more proof of what is occurring.
As for the police, it is not a coincidence that we have far more contact with police in minority cities. This leads to a far greater amount of racist outcomes. It is not that the police are necessarily racist, the system of stuffing our minority populations into extremely small areas with 10x the amount of police patrolling those areas is though.
There is still 3 pages left though, so maybe someone already covered this.
subwax
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Democrats ... Republicans ... aren't they just the same shit, really.
We have Conservatives and Labour as our main parties - I wouldn't piss on either of them if they were on fire, A shower of shite, the lot of them. I literally do not know who to vote for in the next election. I'd prefer to vote for the bellend that is OG-KGP, more than any of our political parties.
We have Conservatives and Labour as our main parties - I wouldn't piss on either of them if they were on fire, A shower of shite, the lot of them. I literally do not know who to vote for in the next election. I'd prefer to vote for the bellend that is OG-KGP, more than any of our political parties.
Fogdog
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You are going to have to do more than simply repeat that bit about how people can't be racist in a monoculture. Racism is a product of ignorance and a learned belief. Nobody is born racist, nor are they born woke. A person in a non-diverse culture is more likely to be ignorant about other cultures/ethnicities/races than somebody in a multicultural society and very susceptible to racist messaging.
For example:
Black Lives Matter pushes Japan to confront racism
To many Japanese, discrimination against black people has been a foreign problem, but things are changing.
www.bbc.com
Still want to die on that hill? OK, so give is specific example where a monoculture has been shown to be free from racism. I don't believe you.