Jacks and Dr Earth
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LawnXweeds
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Those nutrient lines are at completely opposite ends of the spectrum: Jacks being a salt based synthetic nutrient and Dr Earth being organic amendments. Which one you use depends on you, not the plant, per se.
Herb & Suds
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Autos or photos all feed the same with the exception of certain phenos
My preference is jacks
My preference is jacks
Which Jacks do you use?
Rurumo
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Most people are talking about Jack's A/B when they talk about Jack's here. There are some good threads here about it, and read up on Jack's 321, which is Jack's A/B with added epsom salts.
Herb & Suds
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We have a search feature but I doubt it is as effective as google or your preferred search engine
Hmmm
inth3shadowz
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I really like Dr Earth, but if you mistrack a topdress etc you can quickly find yourself scrambling for a liquid fert or a tea of some sort to fix a deficiency. I'm testing both synth and organic now side by side to see which I'll be sticking to. Leaning more towards Dyna Foliage Pro liquid nute.
BestBudz_Grow
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I prefer Dr. Earth. Mix in 2Tbsp per gallon of the homegrown and flower girl, 50/50 ratio. Topdress at the 4th week of veg, same ratio. pop seed in the final pot. Dr earth is not too hot for seedlings right away. As long as you keep track of when you need to topdress (typically every 3 weeks), shouldnt have any issues. Make sure to use molasses/microbe additives throughout if you can. Keep PH 6.3-6.5
Edit - some say it's just bioscience, but organics does produce tastier bud. I've never smoked bud from a synthetic bottle grower that tasted as good as Dr. Earth bud.
Edit - some say it's just bioscience, but organics does produce tastier bud. I've never smoked bud from a synthetic bottle grower that tasted as good as Dr. Earth bud.
Billy the Mountain
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inth3shadowz
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I suggest you watch the latest video from Mr Grow It where he interviews a guy whos studied plants for like 50 something years. He explains why there's literally no difference between the organic fert and synthetic...all a mind game.
Milky Weed
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Dr.bugbee teamed Up with him for abit I believe hopefully to punch bro science right in the throat
PeatPhreak
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Most organic weed growers will not be swayed by facts and science.
xtsho
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When grown and fed properly there is no difference between organic and synthetic fed plants.
But...
Many growers using synthetic nutrients tend to overfeed their plants by dumping too much stuff on them at too high an EC which leads to overfed plants. Overfed plants can yield subpar quality.
It's not the form of feeding it's the overfeeding. Most bottled nutrient feed charts have growers overfeeding their plants from day one which is why following feed charts can lead to lower quality weed. Some have growers feeding at 3.0 EC which is much more than the plant needs. If you stay at reasonable EC levels you won't overfeed and end up with crispy fried plants with buds that look like they came from a bucket of KFC and taste like crap. Excessive levels of P/K are detrimental to the health of the plant yet are wildly popular with many that don't understand plant nutrition and use excessive amounts in the form of boosters and additives thinking the more P/K the better because that's what's in bloom nutrients.
I have no scientific data to back up my hypothesis just my experience over the years. Which is why I feed my plants the bare minimum and maintain healthy plants from start to finish that dry and smoke great. I can guarantee that lifelong organic growers would not be able to tell the difference between weed grown properly in coco using synthetic nutrients and weed grown organically in soil.
But...
Many growers using synthetic nutrients tend to overfeed their plants by dumping too much stuff on them at too high an EC which leads to overfed plants. Overfed plants can yield subpar quality.
It's not the form of feeding it's the overfeeding. Most bottled nutrient feed charts have growers overfeeding their plants from day one which is why following feed charts can lead to lower quality weed. Some have growers feeding at 3.0 EC which is much more than the plant needs. If you stay at reasonable EC levels you won't overfeed and end up with crispy fried plants with buds that look like they came from a bucket of KFC and taste like crap. Excessive levels of P/K are detrimental to the health of the plant yet are wildly popular with many that don't understand plant nutrition and use excessive amounts in the form of boosters and additives thinking the more P/K the better because that's what's in bloom nutrients.
I have no scientific data to back up my hypothesis just my experience over the years. Which is why I feed my plants the bare minimum and maintain healthy plants from start to finish that dry and smoke great. I can guarantee that lifelong organic growers would not be able to tell the difference between weed grown properly in coco using synthetic nutrients and weed grown organically in soil.
Lordhooha
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I’m both no till straight tea kinda of guy and I run front row ags stuff in my big facility. Mainly it’s too much of a pain in the ass to brew tea for an 18k sqft building vs home stuff. But I’m slowing moving over to front row and even other junk at home to see what’s going to cut my overhead and still produce top notch bud. Strangely enough there’s no difference in overall taste or how it smokes. i never flush and i feed from start to the last day. I’m like death row they’re getting a final meal before walking the green mile Lol.
Milky Weed
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I agree. I have not tried organic yet, but it seems much easier overall because the plants dial themselves in. It’s hard sometimes dialing it in with synthetic nutes in my short experience.
inth3shadowz
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Organic is great IF you have the timing down. But think about this, you come in and suddenly you realize that some strains are enjoying the nutes slowly and some are eating it up like candy. Leaves are yellowing quickly, now you're rushing for a fix that if used organically, could take 10+ days to break down. By that time your plant is already starving. I agree that most overfeed with synthetics, but it's all about using your brain. If you see some burn, back off. If you see yellowing and lack of nutes, hit it with a dose and see if it's getting better.
PeatPhreak
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Weed grown organically can look different tho. So I can't be 100% sure they produce the exact same result. It does not matter to me because I grow with synthetic nutes and like results. My buddy is a total organic weed bro. His primary reason is "because that is how nature intended plants to grow". His weed smokes nice, but not noticeably better than my 'synthetic' weed.
calvin.m16
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Dr Earth is organic and unchelated where Jacks is chelated and made of chemicals and from personal experience road salt.