Co2 burner, could it help

DoubleAtotheRON

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However.... im about to do an experiment with just 1/3 of the plant count, more training, and see if i can achieve the same lbs with less plants. More to come. Stay tuned to my grow journal. Clones are getting transplanted Sat. in the main room, then I'l turn on the gas......we shall see.
 

King Avitas

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What %gain do you get by using CO2 , rough estimate ? I've often wondered how that gain would be measured.

It's not only weight gains but increased vegetative speed. In the past my 4x4 tent took about 45-50 days to get a good thick canopy. Now with a 4x8 grow area it took me 31 days and honestly I should have flipped to flower sooner as I now have a jungle on my hands. I will never drop CO² for that reason.
 

StonedGardener

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It's not only weight gains but increased vegetative speed. In the past my 4x4 tent took about 45-50 days to get a good thick canopy. Now with a 4x8 grow area it took me 31 days and honestly I should have flipped to flower sooner as I now have a jungle on my hands. I will never drop CO² for that reason.
Thanks so much King Avitas. I certainly understand reasoning for supplementing with CO2. The calculation of weight gain , if actually done, seems like a " tall order ". Your visual observations ( the thick canopy....flowering ) are very interesting , I was unaware of those facts. I'm toying with the idea , thanks again for your time !
 

King Avitas

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It's def a good investment. IF you're using a burner.. Can't say much about bottled, but I know it's pretty pricey, and a pain in the ass to change out bottles. All I got to do is calibrate the Spartan sniffer once every 3 years, and have my propane filled once a year.... if that.

Not sure what others consider expensive. My CO² bottle rental is $10/month and $80 to fill the bottle. First grow with it now in my new room but judging by how much I have used this grow so far my bottle should last about two grows x 3 grows a year would be 2 bottles $120 rental plus $120 for the gas for a total of $240/year but being conservative lets throw in the other half bottle for shits and giggles so even then the cost is only $280/year for me or 77 cents a day or $93/grow in Canada, I damn near guarantee it would be even cheaper in the good ol' USA.

As for it being a pain in the ass, not sure about that either. Drive to welding supply store 5 minutes away, they take empty cylinder from my truck, they load new one, I slide it off the tail gate of my truck, kick roll her into my room and tighten regulator with a 1⅛" wrench then spray with soapy water to check for leaks. So about 30 minutes to do unless I start chatting with guys at the welding supply store.

I honestly don't think using bottled gas is expensive or a pain in the ass. It might be with little bottles but definitely not with the bigger welding bottles.

If you can afford the CO² metering system, you can probably afford the gas regardless of if it comes from a burner or a bottle.

And I am not trying to bash burners, just sticking up for bottles, they honestly work quite well.
 

Jimdamick

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Title says it all. Haven't heard much about co2 burners on here, so I wanted to have a discussion. Anyone actually use one?
All CO2 does is speed up finish time by around a week.
It's costly also and they produce a shitload of heat
Yea when I was young I went crazy & bought a lot of useless shit & that was one.
Not worth the hassle in my opinion/save the money & buy some good seed/you'd be better off

Stay safe :)
 

DoubleAtotheRON

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All CO2 does is speed up finish time by around a week.
It's costly also and they produce a shitload of heat
Yea when I was young I went crazy & bought a lot of useless shit & that was one.
Not worth the hassle in my opinion/save the money & buy some good seed/you'd be better off

Stay safe :)
I'd beg to differ. If you're in a sealed room, they have no other way of getting CO2. A generator is an excellent piece of equipment to have when you have no fresh air intake/exhaust. It's really your only option. Sure, the initial investment is a good bit of change, but what else are you going to do? Once i got the system in place, it prob costs me less than $80 a year to burn it. My water heater uses more propane than this Ares 8 burner for a 20x30 room.... and, I don't have to do anything. They come out once a year or more and fill up the 500 gallon propane tank. This serves my residence as well for stove, back up heat, water heater.. No lifting bottles, or anything. The most effort I put into it is changing the settings on the Spartan controller.... wears me out.
 
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lusidghost

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I'd beg to differ. If you're in a sealed room, they have no other way of getting CO2. A generator is an excellent piece of equipment to have when you have no fresh air intake/exhaust. It's really you're only option. Sure, the initial investment is a good bit of change, but what else are you going to do? Once i got the system in place, it prob costs me less than $80 a year to burn it. My water heater uses more propane than this Ares 8 burner for a 20x30 room.
Yep. This is why I'm following this thread. I don't really care about adding co2, but I'm going to be running a mini split and need to supplement it or my plants will suffer.
 

DoubleAtotheRON

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Yep. This is why I'm following this thread. I don't really care about adding co2, but I'm going to be running a mini split and need to supplement it or my plants will suffer.
Like I said... once you get that initial investment past you... there's nothing to it. I could burn at 1400 ppm at not even notice the difference in my 500 gallon tank. It is literally unnoticeable. It's like 8 tiny blue flames that come on for about 20 min at lights on, and then a 2-3 min burn every hour or so. It's nothing. I have not noticed any heat or humidity issues either. ... maybe it's the space im in, but no major swings. I don't even notice the damn thing even running. In veg, the system will not kick in but maybe 3 times during a light cycle because im in there so much, and expelling 30-50K ppm every time I breath out, I get a waring that the system has not kicked in for 2 or more hours. I just hit the reset, and it re-reads the room. Now, in mid to late flower, it'll kick in like I mentioned above, but early.... hardly any burn every day because the levels are there from me just breathing.
 
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Jimdamick

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I'd beg to differ. If you're in a sealed room, they have no other way of getting CO2. A generator is an excellent piece of equipment to have when you have no fresh air intake/exhaust. It's really your only option. Sure, the initial investment is a good bit of change, but what else are you going to do? Once i got the system in place, it prob costs me less than $80 a year to burn it. My water heater uses more propane than this Ares 8 burner for a 20x30 room.... and, I don't have to do anything. They come out once a year or more and fill up the 500 gallon propane tank. This serves my residence as well for stove, back up heat, water heater.. No lifting bottles, or anything. The most effort I put into it is changing the settings on the Spartan controller.... wears me out.
Did it change the temp in the room?
It sure affected mine, but my room is only 8'x10' & it increased room temp (2200 wats HPS) by at least 5 degrees, bringing it up from a norm of 85 degrees F to 90 or above.
Someone is going to say don't run it when the lights are on, but that's the time the plants need the CO2 the most.
Read this especially the part about when plants use the most CO2

when do plants release carbon dioxide - Lisbdnet.com

All I am saying is that the generators get fucking hot (Duh....:( ) & I found that the effect/result wasn't worth the heat/hassle/cost.
I pull around 3.5 zips per plant, always Sativa dom's such as hazes like Super Silver Haze (I love that fucking plant :) ) & they're finished in 9 weeks which is fine with me
I tried it & spent a good deal on controllers/fuel/units/time
You want to know where they are now?
In the trash

Stay safe :)
 

lusidghost

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Did it change the temp in the room?
It sure affected mine, but my room is only 8'x10' & it increased room temp (2200 wats HPS) by at least 5 degrees, bringing it up from a norm of 85 degrees F to 90 or above.
Someone is going to say don't run it when the lights are on, but that's the time the plants need the CO2 the most.
Read this especially the part about when plants use the most CO2

when do plants release carbon dioxide - Lisbdnet.com

All I am saying is that the generators get fucking hot (Duh....:( ) & I found that the effect/result wasn't worth the heat/hassle/cost.
I pull around 3.5 zips per plant, always Sativa dom's such as hazes like Super Silver Haze (I love that fucking plant :) ) & they're finished in 9 weeks which is fine with me
I tried it & spent a good deal on controllers/fuel/units/time
You want to know where they are now?
In the trash

Stay safe :)
So what do you do in a closed system?
 

DoubleAtotheRON

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Did it change the temp in the room?
It sure affected mine, but my room is only 8'x10' & it increased room temp (2200 wats HPS) by at least 5 degrees, bringing it up from a norm of 85 degrees F to 90 or above.
Someone is going to say don't run it when the lights are on, but that's the time the plants need the CO2 the most.
Read this especially the part about when plants use the most CO2

when do plants release carbon dioxide - Lisbdnet.com

All I am saying is that the generators get fucking hot (Duh....:( ) & I found that the effect/result wasn't worth the heat/hassle/cost.
I pull around 3.5 zips per plant, always Sativa dom's such as hazes like Super Silver Haze (I love that fucking plant :) ) & they're finished in 9 weeks which is fine with me
I tried it & spent a good deal on controllers/fuel/units/time
You want to know where they are now?
In the trash

Stay safe :)
Ahh… I just assume everybody uses LED these days. I can see where in an 8x10 with HPS would change that game up. I’m running LED’s in a 20x30 with 9 ft ceilings, so yeah, I see your point.
 

Jimdamick

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Ahh… I just assume everybody uses LED these days.
I have 4 rooms actually, 1 veg & 3 for bloom & I use in 2 of the rooms LED & my favorite though is the HID room.
I'm an old fuck & I love my HID :)
Yea, I know I'll hear shit but my plants under the HPS kick ass/ LED is decent but I get bigger yields from the HPS.
The heat is sorta of a problem with the HPS but I blow the shit out of the plants (not sexually/just fans :) )
That was the room I used the generator for but it just made that room too hot.
I'm glad for your success brother :)
Happy Easter!!! (if you give a fuck :) )
 
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