Anesia Seeds, want my money back !

MAGpie81

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i know ur angry but i think it's just a wild pheno and bad luck kassi
you got some kind of landrace from the south african sativa coming through....i grew a south african sativa hybrid (mostly sativa) and it looked alot like that.
Agreed- reminds me of my Kwazulu, but I’m happy to take awesome terps and a great high over massive bud mass, though maybe my third generation this year will be denser (I hope?).
 

Kassiopeija

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What medium are you using Kass?
It is older soil I took out of a 200l open container outdoors. It once originally was Biobizz Allmix, recycled twice.
I've put some more aeration to it (washed Seramis) and horn scraps partially ground up (50ml per 25l soil) and a few other things for micros.

I've had a soil analysis on a mixed sample that was an average from actually 5 200l containers, which had varied recipes for recycling, like biochar in one case.
Turned out quite well but lacked P and B. K actuall highest. Some micros high (Fe). Also plenty of Mg and S, Ca & Cl not stated.

Later turned out the EC from below the container read almost double than compared to the top, from which the sample was derived.
 

Kassiopeija

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Ok I had to irrigate one plant this photoperiod and used a changed formulae by upping the K (+S)

The recipe is:
Tap @ 370mS + RO + Epsom + Phosphoric to same EC to create 2:1 Ca:Mg stock solution at pH 7.

Then add Biobizz
- Grow 0.5ml/l (balanced)
- Bloom 0.5ml/l (high P)
- Topmax 1ml/l (humics, carbs)
- Siapton 0.5ml/l (N-aminos)
to arrive at EC 0.75mS
keep in mind BB nutes are organically deriven and will release about 200% of the initial EC within days (thus equating 0.8mS)

Then added PotassiumSulfate to EC 1.5mS!!!!!

And pH to 6.5 using Phosphoric & Citric (2:1).

That should alleviate any K-defs as it's a boatload of K.

In my opinion it's rather the high saline soil coupled with heavy heat under HID lamps but let's see.

Plant is sitting in the right corner and the control plant of same genetic is in the left corner.

The left plant has better bud growth so far but displays the very same symptoms, cupped up fanleaf margins and twisted sugarleaves, dark leafcolour
 

bobj1598

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Ok I had to irrigate one plant this photoperiod and used a changed formulae by upping the K (+S)

The recipe is:
Tap @ 370mS + RO + Epsom + Phosphoric to same EC to create 2:1 Ca:Mg stock solution at pH 7.

Then add Biobizz
- Grow 0.5ml/l (balanced)
- Bloom 0.5ml/l (high P)
- Topmax 1ml/l (humics, carbs)
- Siapton 0.5ml/l (N-aminos)
to arrive at EC 0.75mS
keep in mind BB nutes are organically deriven and will release about 200% of the initial EC within days (thus equating 0.8mS)

Then added PotassiumSulfate to EC 1.5mS!!!!!

And pH to 6.5 using Phosphoric & Citric (2:1).

That should alleviate any K-defs as it's a boatload of K.

In my opinion it's rather the high saline soil coupled with heavy heat under HID lamps but let's see.

Plant is sitting in the right corner and the control plant of same genetic is in the left corner.

The left plant has better bud growth so far but displays the very same symptoms, cupped up fanleaf margins and twisted sugarleaves, dark leafcolour
What is the NPK value of the fertilizer you are using?
 

Kassiopeija

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What is the NPK value of the fertilizer you are using?
BB Grow is 4-3-6 and Bloom 2-6-3.5.
Siapton is almost pure aminos.

Biobizz doesn't give a full analysis so that leaves some doubts about micros and secondary macronutes. By experience of many, it contains very little Ca, Mg, and maybe even S.

I have their full line, as full mineralic setups through bottles, powders, and organic dry ammends for outdoor but are working on an organic recycle formulae for peatbased soil combining many things.
 
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bobj1598

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BB Grow is 4-3-6 and Bloom 2-3-3.5.
Siapton is almost pure aminos.

Biobizz doesn't give a full analysis so that leaves some doubts about micros and secondary macronutes. By experience of many, it contains very little Ca, Mg, and maybe even S.

I have their full line, as full mineralic setups through bottles, powders, and organic dry ammends for outdoor but are working on an organic recycle formulae for peatbased soil combining many things.
Do you think perhaps your N content is a tad bit too much? Your formula has nearly equal parts N&P. I'm only asking because I'm expecting leafy larfy looking buds when my grow commences.
 

Kassiopeija

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These are the 2 cultivars, the colour difference stems from the proximity of either a HPS or a MH.

It looks as if N is abundant due to the heat causing a high soillife, thus mineralising much out of the horn scraps which are 16-1-1

PPFD is an average of 650-1000 dependant whether I toggle the COB on. At 100% it caused bleaching so I now have on just for a few hours at the start of each day.
 

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Kassiopeija

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Do you think perhaps your N content is a tad bit too much?
yeah the leaves are dark green but new growth is "ok" (sort of) and there never was clawing, but yellow burned leaf margins, which I figured where due to some salts with which I increased some micronutes.
The burning stopped after a flush but the leaves stayed dark and twisted.

I'm gonna use Cocos/Perlit full mineralically on a few of these clones, to get better control and see the differences. Though it will be a hassle....
Calnit, epsom, pk & micros should work but would need a long veg to get the ratios right.
 

Nizza

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So what exactly is the meaning of this
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Cherry Kiss by Anesia
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5 weeks in, it just throws leaves
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granted, it has a nice tropical fruity smell but not even half the budmass and looks so feeble
What do you think the effect of eod and emerson treatments would be with a sativa? I'd be scared of the stretch lol! But perhaps there could be a place for it with a sog style grow
It seems like a either a strain that doesn't want to flip (give it more darkness or an End of Day far red treatment, or both) or it is a sativa dominant

I've never grown a sativa Dom but please share the progress , thanks for sharing!
 

Kassiopeija

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What do you think the effect of eod and emerson treatments would be with a sativa? I'd be scared of the stretch lol! But perhaps there could be a place for it with a sog style grow
It seems like a either a strain that doesn't want to flip (give it more darkness or an End of Day far red treatment, or both) or it is a sativa dominant

I've never grown a sativa Dom but please share the progress , thanks for sharing!
one problem today is the 730nm diode targets phytochrome exceptionally well, it's designed to be that way photobiologically-active

690-710nm would also cause Emerson, and enable ultrafast trapping kinetics
760nm would increase PSI heat photoprotection
both wavelengths cause way less stretchy growth in comparison

We need better diodes, monochromatics & also whites with a broader blue. And efficient cyan ones, the mechanisms got uncovered already well, but the industry is always slow to follow up.

These days I had a dream to just mount alu frames at the ceilings of my big tent sporting monos, then designing an exotic Emerson spectrum but some of the diodes are borderline expensive and inefficient :/
 

VincenzioVonHook

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Read the title of the thread. You want a refund from Anesia for issues you created from lack of growing skill.

Or are you inferring that their all of their seeds of this strain will grow with curled serrated edges and burn?
it seems to be a new craze here atm. Any slight issue and a rant about seedbanks follows. My fav is the "tried 20 seeds and not one germinated" immediately followed by dozens, if not hundreds of growers here with no issues.

Yea, i'm sure it was the seeds lol. I'm pretty sure id need to run multiple plants over several runs and compare traits and growing parameters before going on a bender of breeder hate.

Not having a go at you Kass or saying that's the level you're at here, just noticed this was a pretty prevalent issue. You can never guarantee there wont be a bad pheno. Especially when the sample size is low.

I am nowhere near consistent enough or experienced enough to end up blaming the breeder lol, nor have i ran sample sizes large enough to come to a decent conclusion.
 
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