Is Biden really that bad?

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Tolerance Break

Tolerance Break

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NYCBambu said:
If that was true, Georgia would not have taken steps like requiring voter ID in order to preserve election integrity.

Back in the day democrats were the rock and roll party, weed smoking rebels. They were about anti government, sticking it to the man. These days being a democrat is about racism, sexual expression, bodily transformation, party extremism, loyalty regardless of who is in charge, and finding something to be offended about. Times sure have changed.
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Anti government doesn't mean literally overthrow the government. You don't burn your house down when the kitchen needs a re model.
 
Fogdog

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NYCBambu said:
If that was true, Georgia would not have taken steps like requiring voter ID in order to preserve election integrity.

Back in the day democrats were the rock and roll party, weed smoking rebels. They were about anti government, sticking it to the man. These days being a democrat is about racism, sexual expression, bodily transformation, party extremism and loyalty regardless of who is in charge, and finding something to be offended about. Times sure have changed.
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But what about Putin coming to join Trump in campaign rallies to influence a US election?

I mean we need to enact laws to stop that from happening again.
 
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Offmymeds

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NYCBambu said:
They call the act whatever they like. They called spying on us the patriot act. Meanwhile its just another piece of the failed build back better plan. IRS agents coming for us, tax breaks for rich tesla drivers, and tax increases. IMHO, spending more money is only throwing more gas on the fire.

If you are a climate change proponent and dont mind paying double for everything, yeah Biden is the president for you. I prefer to think we can adapt to a 2 degree change before a complete transition.

Thats exactly the radical kind of view that will get us nowhere. Do you want no ID voting too, a free for all? If it suits them, democrats want to re-define laws and definitions that have worked fine in this country for ages. Do you know how many times democrats filibustered last year?

I do give Biden credit for sending Ukraine weapons, thats alot more than chicken shit Obama did. I will also add, that your response although I do not agree, is on point. By leaps and bounds it is the best answer I have heard around here.
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Spying on us?

IRS agent coming for us? I heard of 2 FBI agents, enemies of Trump, getting the IRS TCMP audit & 501(c)'s getting scrutinized for illegal political activity but who else?

The new EV tax credit is for everyone but has income limits (so no rich Tesla drivers) and benefits American automakers the most. The recent tax increase was the expiration of the former admin's tax cut's although the wealthy got a permanent cut so they aren't affected. Rick Scott is in favor of raising taxes on the middle class and says even the poor should pay in. He reasons that gives them "skin in the game", as if that made any sense whatsoever. BTW, this is the wealthiest member of Congress and he grew up in public housing. He also was responsible for the largest Medicare fraud in history at one time and plead the 5th 75 times in that case. GOP leaders also want to sunset SS, Medicare, & Medicaid.

Voter ID's are another solution to a problem that doesn't exist. Why do we need voter ID's when there is no fraud? Voter ID are designed to make it more difficult for students, the disabled, the poor and other transient people to vote. Voter ID sounds good but isn't. My wife was severely disabled and had only an expired driver's license. Because of that she had to cast a provisional ballot, meaning it didn't count unless she took extra steps after the election was over to have her vote count. To cure that for the next election she had to get her birth certificate ($20 & 3 weeks to receive) and wait for 4 hours at the DMV to get an ID, another $35. It took 2 hours for her to prepare to go out with my assistance. It also meant I had to wait for hours with her without pay. It was an ordeal.

Step back and look at the overall picture. Over 300 knew laws all designed to RESTRICT voting and all from Republican legislatures with no evidence of voter fraud. All of them want to cast doubt on the election system. My governor just eliminated a black representative from her district by gerrymandering it. His $3M Election Police Force won't investigate the fake elector's the state was apparently ready to send if Trump had lost the state and they aren't investigating the Republican fake candidates scam either. It's not the voters that need to be watched, it's the f'ing politicians. Personally I am in favor of hand-marked paper ballots tracked through the mail system.

Why does it matter how many times cloture was invoked? What matters is getting things done in a broken system and when one party is willing to spite us all to keep the other party from "getting a win" then the apple cart needs to be turned over. Voting against veterans suffering from burn pit exposure because Manchin shifted his view was one of the lowest acts I've ever witnessed by a political party. Forcing 10-yr-olds to carry babies because a minority of voters decided that when 70% of the population wants abortion access? Simply wrong.

Agreed President Obama was too cautious with Ukraine. He didn't want to start any new wars. We should have implemented sanctions long ago. "Chicken shit"? I don't want leaders ready to start wars without very good cause.

A 2 degree climate change would affect 70% of the world's coastlines. Climate change already has states fighting wars and creating refugees. The Dept. of Defense is fully aware of the implications and anticipates more wars and more refugees. BTW, don't listen to Trump, rising sea levels will not "create more waterfront property". I also want leaders that take science seriously.
 
Tolerance Break

Tolerance Break

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Offmymeds said:
Spying on us?

IRS agent coming for us? I heard of 2 FBI agents, enemies of Trump, getting the IRS TCMP audit & 501(c)'s getting scrutinized for illegal political activity but who else?

The new EV tax credit is for everyone but has income limits (so no rich Tesla drivers) and benefits American automakers the most. The recent tax increase was the expiration of the former admin's tax cut's although the wealthy got a permanent cut so they aren't affected. Rick Scott is in favor of raising taxes on the middle class and says even the poor should pay in. He reasons that gives them "skin in the game", as if that made any sense whatsoever. BTW, this is the wealthiest member of Congress and he grew up in public housing. He also was responsible for the largest Medicare fraud in history at one time and plead the 5th 75 times in that case. GOP leaders also want to sunset SS, Medicare, & Medicaid.

Voter ID's are another solution to a problem that doesn't exist. Why do we need voter ID's when there is no fraud? Voter ID are designed to make it more difficult for students, the disabled, the poor and other transient people to vote. Voter ID sounds good but isn't. My wife was severely disabled and had only an expired driver's license. Because of that she had to cast a provisional ballot, meaning it didn't count unless she took extra steps after the election was over to have her vote count. To cure that for the next election she had to get her birth certificate ($20 & 3 weeks to receive) and wait for 4 hours at the DMV to get an ID, another $35. It took 2 hours for her to prepare to go out with my assistance. It also meant I had to wait for hours with her without pay. It was an ordeal.

Step back and look at the overall picture. Over 300 knew laws all designed to RESTRICT voting and all from Republican legislatures with no evidence of voter fraud. All of them want to cast doubt on the election system. My governor just eliminated a black representative from her district by gerrymandering it. His $3M Election Police Force won't investigate the fake elector's the state was apparently ready to send if Trump had lost the state and they aren't investigating the Republican fake candidates scam either. It's not the voters that need to be watched, it's the f'ing politicians. Personally I am in favor of hand-marked paper ballots tracked through the mail system.

Why does it matter how many times cloture was invoked? What matters is getting things done in a broken system and when one party is willing to spite us all to keep the other party from "getting a win" then the apple cart needs to be turned over. Voting against veterans suffering from burn pit exposure because Manchin shifted his view was one of the lowest acts I've ever witnessed by a political party. Forcing 10-yr-olds to carry babies because a minority of voters decided that when 70% of the population wants abortion access? Simply wrong.

Agreed President Obama was too cautious with Ukraine. He didn't want to start any new wars. We should have implemented sanctions long ago. "Chicken shit"? I don't want leaders ready to start wars without very good cause.

A 2 degree climate change would affect 70% of the world's coastlines. Climate change already has states fighting wars and creating refugees. The Dept. of Defense is fully aware of the implications and anticipates more wars and more refugees. BTW, don't listen to Trump, rising sea levels will not "create more waterfront property". I also want leaders that take science seriously.
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*mic drop*
 
Fogdog

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Speaking about unproven voter fraud, what about this? Isn't it an outrageous that Hillary would do such a thing?

Hillary Clinton Receives $225,000 Speaking Fee For Telling Grandson Bedtime Story

NEW YORK—According to tax filings obtained from the Clinton Foundation, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton received a $225,000 speaking fee Wednesday night for telling her grandson a bedtime story. “This was a standard payment to compensate Secretary Clinton for her limited time, and in recognition of the value her grandchild received from hearing a story about a wayward goat and his friend the silly giraffe,” Clinton Foundation spokesperson Jennifer Alpert said in a disclosure statement that also included the itinerary for the hour-long event with the 2-year-old at his home in Manhattan’s Flatiron District. “This was actually substantially lower than the secretary’s typical speaking fees, which is a testament to how much reading to her grandson aligns with the values of the Clinton Foundation. She even stayed afterward to sign a copy of the book and take any questions Jasper might have.” Alpert added that the appearance was really a steal when you considered the $2.5 million Clinton received for attending her daughter’s wedding.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

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Fogdog said:
We need a law to end this kind of campaigning:


Putin Appears with Trump in Flurry of Swing-State Rallies

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TAMPA (The Borowitz Report)—Infused with a sense of urgency as Election Day nears, the Trump campaign has enlisted President Vladimir Putin, of Russia, to appear with the Republican nominee in a dizzying array of swing-state rallies over the weekend.

Putin will be the most visible Trump surrogate in the final weekend of the campaign, as he tries to fire up voters in Florida, North Carolina, Colorado, and Nevada.

The Russian President seemed to relish the warm response he got at his first Trump rally, in Tampa, where he led the crowd in a raucous chant of “Lock her up.”

Trump praised Putin’s talent for politics by noting that he had won the Russian election in 2012 by a landslide. “He got sixty-four per cent of the vote, and no one else even came close,” Trump said. “He’s terrific.”

Putin, whose English is rudimentary at best, kept his remarks brief at the Tampa rally, but echoed Melania Trump’s recent call for an end to bullying.

A Republican strategist, Harland Dorrinson, called the Trump campaign’s use of Putin in crucial battleground states “very, very smart.”

“At this point, you really couldn’t ask for a more effective surrogate,” he said. “You’d much rather see Trump up there with Putin than with, say, Chris Christie.”

While some in the media criticized the Trump campaign for allowing Putin to influence the outcome of a U.S. election, the Republican nominee’s campaign manager, Kellyanne Conway, pushed back in an appearance on CNN.

“This is just another case of media bias against Donald Trump,” she said. “Jay Z and Beyoncé, who have no experience in government at all, are allowed to campaign for Hillary Clinton, but Vladimir Putin, who actually runs an entire country, can’t appear with Donald Trump? Come on.”
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when is that story from? i never saw that one
 
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NYCBambu

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Offmymeds said:
Spying on us?

IRS agent coming for us? I heard of 2 FBI agents, enemies of Trump, getting the IRS TCMP audit & 501(c)'s getting scrutinized for illegal political activity but who else?

The new EV tax credit is for everyone but has income limits (so no rich Tesla drivers) and benefits American automakers the most. The recent tax increase was the expiration of the former admin's tax cut's although the wealthy got a permanent cut so they aren't affected. Rick Scott is in favor of raising taxes on the middle class and says even the poor should pay in. He reasons that gives them "skin in the game", as if that made any sense whatsoever. BTW, this is the wealthiest member of Congress and he grew up in public housing. He also was responsible for the largest Medicare fraud in history at one time and plead the 5th 75 times in that case. GOP leaders also want to sunset SS, Medicare, & Medicaid.

Voter ID's are another solution to a problem that doesn't exist. Why do we need voter ID's when there is no fraud? Voter ID are designed to make it more difficult for students, the disabled, the poor and other transient people to vote. Voter ID sounds good but isn't. My wife was severely disabled and had only an expired driver's license. Because of that she had to cast a provisional ballot, meaning it didn't count unless she took extra steps after the election was over to have her vote count. To cure that for the next election she had to get her birth certificate ($20 & 3 weeks to receive) and wait for 4 hours at the DMV to get an ID, another $35. It took 2 hours for her to prepare to go out with my assistance. It also meant I had to wait for hours with her without pay. It was an ordeal.

Step back and look at the overall picture. Over 300 knew laws all designed to RESTRICT voting and all from Republican legislatures with no evidence of voter fraud. All of them want to cast doubt on the election system. My governor just eliminated a black representative from her district by gerrymandering it. His $3M Election Police Force won't investigate the fake elector's the state was apparently ready to send if Trump had lost the state and they aren't investigating the Republican fake candidates scam either. It's not the voters that need to be watched, it's the f'ing politicians. Personally I am in favor of hand-marked paper ballots tracked through the mail system.

Why does it matter how many times cloture was invoked? What matters is getting things done in a broken system and when one party is willing to spite us all to keep the other party from "getting a win" then the apple cart needs to be turned over. Voting against veterans suffering from burn pit exposure because Manchin shifted his view was one of the lowest acts I've ever witnessed by a political party. Forcing 10-yr-olds to carry babies because a minority of voters decided that when 70% of the population wants abortion access? Simply wrong.

Agreed President Obama was too cautious with Ukraine. He didn't want to start any new wars. We should have implemented sanctions long ago. "Chicken shit"? I don't want leaders ready to start wars without very good cause.

A 2 degree climate change would affect 70% of the world's coastlines. Climate change already has states fighting wars and creating refugees. The Dept. of Defense is fully aware of the implications and anticipates more wars and more refugees. BTW, don't listen to Trump, rising sea levels will not "create more waterfront property". I also want leaders that take science seriously.
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Bidens latest disasterous bill does not make his presidency look any better. Inflation was projected to slow down anyway. It is Joes policies and wreckless spending that got us here in the first place. Spending more is not going to reduce inflation, its just another blindfold to put on the peoples eyes.

Show me what islands we have lost, land masses, anything. As for abortion I am with you, bad idea to make it illegal. I still think there should be limits, while here in NY we have moved in the opposite direction. 9th month abortion is now ok, and you dont even need a doctor anymore. Some democrats gave this bill a standing ovation when it passed.

On the IRS agents its not just 2 people:

www.wsj.com

Biden to Seek $80 Billion to Bolster IRS, Tax Enforcement

The Internal Revenue Service funding boost would be a major expansion of the tax agency, doubling its enforcement staffing and giving it new tools to combat tax dodging.
www.wsj.com www.wsj.com
 
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hanimmal

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NYCBambu said:
Chest pumping about Bidens latest disasterous bill does not make his presidency look any better. Nor will any of that other stuff you just mentioned. It is his policies and wreckless spending that got us here in the first place. Spending more is not going to reduce inflation, its just another blindfold to put on the peoples eyes.
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You are so full of shit lol. It must really suck to have to chill for these hate mongering fools for their rich daddies pocket change.
 
Fogdog

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NYCBambu said:
If you cant find your car the next morning in your garage did someone steal it? Yes. Can you prove it? No. Some things are just obvious.
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Yeah, like human caused climate change. After reviewing the evidence, that is.

And, theft can be proven. In fact theft has to be proven before a person can be convicted of a crime. God damn you are stupid.

Still though, by your standard every concern should be treated as real. A whole new world every day.
 
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NYCBambu

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Fogdog said:
Yeah, like human caused climate change.

Still though, by your standard every concern should be treated as real. A whole new world every day.
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It boggles my mind to think that anybody would trust others not to cheat. People cheat at things as stupid as video games, of course they would cheat an election if they could no ID bullshit their way to mail in fraud victory. You arent using common sense and you know it.
 
Herb & Suds

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NYCBambu said:
It boggles my mind to think that anybody would trust others not to cheat. People cheat at things as stupid as video games, of course they would cheat an election if they could no ID bullshit their way to mail in fraud victory. You arent using common sense and you know it.
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Not all people think
How can I get over on people
Some folks aren’t looking at everything like a competition
Shocking eh?
 
Fogdog

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NYCBambu said:
It boggles my mind to think that anybody would trust others not to cheat. People cheat at things as stupid as video games, of course they would cheat an election if they could no ID bullshit their way to mail in fraud victory. You arent using common sense and you know it.
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You can have your beliefs. If there isn't anything to back it up, then they are called unfounded.

I believe that Putin joined with Trump in an effort to influence the election. By your standard every stated belief is real.
 
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