Defending HPS in a LED world

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farmerfischer

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ismann said:
Everyone with a brain knew that once a state legalizes, the market will get flooded and commercial growers with government-backed subsidies will price everyone out. All they have to do is grow at scale and sell it under a 1% margin like Walmart. They can afford to lose millions per year until the small farms are priced out or taken over.

Anyone else growing at scale can't move their product so it sits in warehouse getting stale as distributors and dispensaries are maxed out. All of the herb that hits dispensaries have been sitting for months in plastic before hitting shelves. People who still want the good shit still resort to black market. All legalization did was get the government a cut of sales while flooding the market with garbage.

The one thing everyone is waiting for now is federal legalization. Then all states are open for business -- can't believe it hasn't happened already.
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Not really sure what this has to do with lights..
Never the less it was a good rant..
 
lilroach

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youraveragehorticulturist said:
Having the option to sell to retailers or wholesalers or whatever seems cool. How do you like the whole legal situation up there? Do you think the laws are cool, or do you have some complaints?
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Well that question certainly hits my hot button.

I'm in New York State where they legalized rec weed a year ago April......sort of. We can legally own up to 3 ounces of weed. That's really great......with one problem. According to our states cannabis commission it's still illegal to buy, sell, or grow weed. Basically in their minds it has to fall from heaven to legally obtain those 3 zips.

We have a shit-ton of gray-market pot shops popping up everywhere. Their work around is if you buy a T-shirt or even a sticker....say...oh....for $75....they will "gift" you a quarter ounce of weed. Legally it's a very gray area and the commission is sending out warnings to those shops that they must stop or risk not being able to obtain a sellers license. This threat is laughable because most if not all of the pot-shops never intended on getting a license. Law enforcement have asked numerous times what they should do about enforcing these warnings and the commission has yet given a reply.

The thing is.....it's been about 1.5 years since legalization, not counting the years before when everyone knew it was coming.....and they are just now giving out licenses....effective at the end of the year.

After all this time.....commercial growers have been stalled because there was no guidelines of what will be required of them, or even who they'll be able to sell to....and when. Same thing for dispensaries as they too don't know what is expected of them as far as security, tracking, taxing, banking, etc. etc.

Then there's the whole pricing thing. If NYS holds true to their "tax 'em till the bleed" views on everything, decent weed will probably sell for $350 an ounce. Not competitive at all with the black market sales.

Knowing that, I've been feeling very comfortable with competing against legal weed. What I didn't see coming was the popularity of cannabis vape pens. My base isn't heading that way, but my wholesale people have been having troubles losing customers to vapes. Some tell me that the vape pen thing is just a novelty just because it's new to us and one can use it just about anywhere. I don't vape so I really don't know how true that is.

All-in-all my state is doing its best to fuck up the roll-out of legal rec weed. I say fuck-'em as I've been doing this on the black market for years without paper trails and regulations.
 
farmerfischer

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lilroach said:
We have a shit-ton of gray-market pot shops popping up everywhere. Their work around is if you buy a T-shirt or even a sticker....say...oh....for $75....they will "gift" you a quarter ounce of weed.
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Years ago here in Michigan when medical weed started shops were popping up doing the same.. some even rented lockers and gifted you weed . These were nice for your overages.. here med and rec you can only have 2 oz's..
 
buckaclark

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I believe everyone had weighed in and discussion had coalesced on the vs discussion which devolved into a legality discussion which again devolved into an personal
farmerfischer said:
Years ago here in Michigan when medical weed started shops were popping up doing the same.. some even rented lockers and gifted you weed . These were nice for your overages.. here med and rec you can only have 2 oz's..
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Our law allows no retail but you can gift an oz . anytime .but they have a clause against the "buy a t-shirt for 80 get weed for free" it is written into the Legislation
 
LeastExpectedGrower

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lilroach said:
Well that question certainly hits my hot button.

I'm in New York State where they legalized rec weed a year ago April......sort of. We can legally own up to 3 ounces of weed. That's really great......with one problem. According to our states cannabis commission it's still illegal to buy, sell, or grow weed. Basically in their minds it has to fall from heaven to legally obtain those 3 zips.

We have a shit-ton of gray-market pot shops popping up everywhere. Their work around is if you buy a T-shirt or even a sticker....say...oh....for $75....they will "gift" you a quarter ounce of weed. Legally it's a very gray area and the commission is sending out warnings to those shops that they must stop or risk not being able to obtain a sellers license. This threat is laughable because most if not all of the pot-shops never intended on getting a license. Law enforcement have asked numerous times what they should do about enforcing these warnings and the commission has yet given a reply.

The thing is.....it's been about 1.5 years since legalization, not counting the years before when everyone knew it was coming.....and they are just now giving out licenses....effective at the end of the year.

After all this time.....commercial growers have been stalled because there was no guidelines of what will be required of them, or even who they'll be able to sell to....and when. Same thing for dispensaries as they too don't know what is expected of them as far as security, tracking, taxing, banking, etc. etc.

Then there's the whole pricing thing. If NYS holds true to their "tax 'em till the bleed" views on everything, decent weed will probably sell for $350 an ounce. Not competitive at all with the black market sales.

Knowing that, I've been feeling very comfortable with competing against legal weed. What I didn't see coming was the popularity of cannabis vape pens. My base isn't heading that way, but my wholesale people have been having troubles losing customers to vapes. Some tell me that the vape pen thing is just a novelty just because it's new to us and one can use it just about anywhere. I don't vape so I really don't know how true that is.

All-in-all my state is doing its best to fuck up the roll-out of legal rec weed. I say fuck-'em as I've been doing this on the black market for years without paper trails and regulations.
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The law is that you can carry 3oz on your person but are allowed up to 5 pounds in your home.
 
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