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Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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cannabineer said:
… or perhaps Russia holding that territory is a big risk to Turkey’s security? I could be wrong.
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It's quite likely a consideration, but they were buddies just recently...I think if they could have reached an agreement both considered "equitable", he never would have made this statement, and would have made one that was just about the opposite, while allowing russian ships passage, russian troops and material passage, cooperating to help russia obtain sanctioned components they need for precision munitions...
Erdogan is an honorable thief, but he's still a thief. He didn't make that statement for humanitarian reasons, and I'm not sure if self preservation was the major motivator, either.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
It's quite likely a consideration, but they were buddies just recently...I think if they could have reached an agreement both considered "equitable", he never would have made this statement, and would have made one that was just about the opposite, while allowing russian ships passage, russian troops and material passage, cooperating to help russia obtain sanctioned components they need for precision munitions...
Erdogan is an honorable thief, but he's still a thief. He didn't make that statement for humanitarian reasons, and I'm not sure if self preservation was the major motivator, either.
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I don’t either. However, and fwiw, it does conform to Occam’s razor.
 
BudmanTX

BudmanTX

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
It's quite likely a consideration, but they were buddies just recently...I think if they could have reached an agreement both considered "equitable", he never would have made this statement, and would have made one that was just about the opposite, while allowing russian ships passage, russian troops and material passage, cooperating to help russia obtain sanctioned components they need for precision munitions...
Erdogan is an honorable thief, but he's still a thief. He didn't make that statement for humanitarian reasons, and I'm not sure if self preservation was the major motivator, either.
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also keep in mind Turkey has also a blockade of the straits too, with the exception of the food cargo going from UA
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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BudmanTX said:
also keep in mind Turkey has also a blockade of the straits too, with the exception of the food cargo going from UA
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it is a member of NATO, and his criminal maneuverings have to operate beneath their notice, but i think if he thought it was in his personal best interests, Erdogan would leave NATO...maybe use Sweden and Finland as an excuse, claim they're still giving asylum to people turkey has declared terrorists?
 
BudmanTX

BudmanTX

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
it is a member of NATO, and his criminal maneuverings have to operate beneath their notice, but i think if he thought it was in his personal best interests, Erdogan would leave NATO...maybe use Sweden and Finland as an excuse, claim they're still giving asylum to people turkey has declared terrorists?
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think he already tried that, first he said he didn't want the sweds and the fins in nato cause of that very thing, but then here comes the sweds and the fins saying the will extridite the people that Turkey is looking for....soooo, guess who's in Nato the sweds and the Fins.......Erdogan is up to something what that might be hard to say.......
 
Sativied

Sativied

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BudmanTX said:
could be...Turkey has always been one of those country playing both sides of the coin though...just don't know what angle he's playing now...food is on the list for sure, i know they're drones are also in the list cause supposedly Turkey's Drone company moved into Ukraine to help them out with this war......so now the question is, what's erogan's angle...
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Erdogan‘s angle is above all always the next elections, portraying to be powerful requires displaying international influence. That‘s why he‘s often a pita with a big mouth and gives in once he gained enough attention. It’s a classic long before Ukraine war. Secondary to that is Syria and the Kurds. Erdogan wanted Russia’s and Iran’s support for, or at least no objections against, attacking Kurds in north east syria, ie south of Turkey. Putin denied and together with Iran convinced Erdogan to support Assad again. This is a problem for Erdogan who has been using the war in Syria as an excuse/opportunity to kill more Kurds… mountain Turks as Turks call them, and wants a dmz along the border. Erdogan forces the west to consider him a factor, not having a say is their problem with the west. Now Putin denies Erdogan power in what he consider’s his own backyard. Don‘t expect some strategic plan, few things piss off Erdogan more than having a shorter guy obstruct his evil plans:

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Unclebaldrick

Unclebaldrick

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DIY-HP-LED said:
Looks like this guy was a Russian link the the American right and KKK and he spread their propaganda to the allies on the right in the west. Trump did too, but he was kinda stupid and only covered the high points, this guy went into detail. Putin had as much trouble as everybody else trying to get Donald to learn anything, even his instructions.

Putin could have done this fucker in, he seems a pretty low priority target for the Ukrainians, even though he preached genocide against them, they have bigger fish to fry.
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I can't really see much benefit for Ukraine to have done it. Smart money is on Putin.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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Unclebaldrick said:
I can't really see much benefit for Ukraine to have done it. Smart money is on Putin.
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you don't think the group claiming responsibility did it?
https://www.newsweek.com/what-russias-anti-putin-national-republican-army-darya-dugina-1735541

that could be real, or it could be a false front for either side, or...who knows? until someone comes out with some kind of substantial proof, one side will blame the other, and the third side will keep telling them they're both wrong, and claiming responsibility... :-?
 
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