I thought this was America?

[doublejj]

California’s Progress Toward Recycling Policy for EV Batteries
As electric vehicle (EV) policies are implemented around the country, and sales continue to rise, a question many ask is if vehicle batteries are recycled.

Yes, EV battery recycling is happening in facilities around the United States. The materials recovered, including cobalt, nickel, lithium, and manganese, can be used in the manufacturing of new batteries. While this recycling market is growing, there is still no federal or state law or policy that requires it – an obligation that could ensure higher recycling rates and increased efficiency.

California is taking steps to change that.
The report outlines a package of policies that could become the first lithium-ion US battery recycling regulation – including producer responsibility for battery recycling.

California's Progress Toward Recycling Policy for EV Batteries

Ideal policy would require battery recycling and increase circularity of materials and battery sustainability.

blog.ucsusa.org

 

[DoubleAtotheRON]

when there are more worn out old auto batteries it will be more profitable to recycle them. The transition will take time. But we must get started.

Understand. I guess my point is that it will take more FF to extract Lithium, Cobalt, etc that it for one, is not in easily available to supply the market. It's just gong to drive up the cost to produce an EV... including the excessive use of FF machinery, excavation, transportation, and charging of these EV's .... I mean, you spend $105,000 to buy a EV F150 that on a full charge, will haul your boat 68 miles. It dosn't make sense to me.

 

[Grandpapy]

Is it ok for the president?

I think so, something about "provide for the common welfare."

 

[DoubleAtotheRON]

It's beyond me why the F150 diesel didn't take off.... great gas mileage, torque, power. I drove one and loved it. I felt the exhaust pipe, and it was blowing cold air.

 

[doublejj]

Understand. I guess my point is that it will take more FF to extract Lithium, Cobalt, etc that it for one, is not in easily available to supply the market. It's just gong to drive up the cost to produce an EV... including the excessive use of FF machinery, excavation, transportation, and charging of these EV's .... I mean, you spend $105,000 to buy a EV F150 that on a full charge, will haul your boat 68 miles. It dosn't make sense to me.

As more and more Americans choose to make trucks their mode of transportation, it is becoming clear that most truck buyers do not actually use the capability of their pickups. According to a study conducted in 2019, consisting of 250,000 persons, 75% of truck owners use their truck to tow about once a year and just 35% of owners actually haul something more than once a year. Because of this, the question must be asked, do most truck owners actually need a truck, or would they be better off with something like a Toyota Corolla.

Most Truck Owners Probably Don't Need a Full-Size Pickup

Americans love their full-size pickup trucks, but do they actually use them?

www.motorbiscuit.com

 

[DoubleAtotheRON]

I think so, something about "provide for the common welfare."

.. but not by taking it from the hands of legitimate companies developing more efficient ways to extract, frack through R&D and research.

 

[DoubleAtotheRON]

As more and more Americans choose to make trucks their mode of transportation, it is becoming clear that most truck buyers do not actually use the capability of their pickups. According to a study conducted in 2019, consisting of 250,000 persons, 75% of truck owners use their truck to tow about once a year and just 35% of owners actually haul something more than once a year. Because of this, the question must be asked, do most truck owners actually need a truck, or would they be better off with something like a Toyota Corolla.

Most Truck Owners Probably Don't Need a Full-Size Pickup

Americans love their full-size pickup trucks, but do they actually use them?

www.motorbiscuit.com

Maybe in CA, but around here, it's about 85% trucks, and most of the time, they are hauling something. I use mine (when I drive it) to haul all kinds of shit.... It gets loaned out to friends pretty often because they need to haul something.

 

[Grandpapy]

.. but not by taking it from the hands of legitimate companies developing more efficient ways to extract, frack through R&D and research.

Who do you think paid for that research?

Shaped charges and radioactive sand didn't fall off the back of a concrete truck.

 

[doublejj]

Ag Prepares for Electric-Powered Future

Developers of electrified equipment for the farm — primarily tractors and skid-steer loaders as of 2022 — also say moving to battery-powered, zero-emission EV technology offers owners significant reductions in fuel and maintenance costs over the life of the machine when compared with diesel-powered equipment of the same capacity. Additionally, developers say all-electric, digitized and automated tractors can significantly lower growers’ cost of production by reducing labor requirements and providing on-the-go crop condition data.
Gridtractor, a partially owned subsidiary of Polaris Energy Services, launched in California in November 2021, offers fleet electrification services to farmers. California provided Gridtractor an opportunity to utilize extensive electrical infrastructure on farms, incentives for electrification and pilots for vehicle grid integration, the company notes in a statement.

Ag Prepares for Electric-Powered Future

Spurred by global environmental concerns and farmer demands for more economic productivity, some equipment makers are increasingly turning their research and development sights to the efficiencies of the electric motor.

www.farm-equipment.com

 

[DoubleAtotheRON]

Either way... I don't think it's right to tax hike a company that's working hard to provide supply to the American people. Alot of thier profits are made in other countries as well... they're gonna tax hike them for that? They're not even working/operating on American soil.

 

[DoubleAtotheRON]

Ag Prepares for Electric-Powered Future
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Developers of electrified equipment for the farm — primarily tractors and skid-steer loaders as of 2022 — also say moving to battery-powered, zero-emission EV technology offers owners significant reductions in fuel and maintenance costs over the life of the machine when compared with diesel-powered equipment of the same capacity. Additionally, developers say all-electric, digitized and automated tractors can significantly lower growers’ cost of production by reducing labor requirements and providing on-the-go crop condition data.
Gridtractor, a partially owned subsidiary of Polaris Energy Services, launched in California in November 2021, offers fleet electrification services to farmers. California provided Gridtractor an opportunity to utilize extensive electrical infrastructure on farms, incentives for electrification and pilots for vehicle grid integration, the company notes in a statement.

Ag Prepares for Electric-Powered Future

Spurred by global environmental concerns and farmer demands for more economic productivity, some equipment makers are increasingly turning their research and development sights to the efficiencies of the electric motor.

www.farm-equipment.com

I can see how this might be ideal for a Cali vineyard. But Oklahoma, KS, TX, have big fucking 600 hp diesel tractors (8 wheel) that run 24/7 during the season. You can't do that with an EV tractor. I doubt an EV tractor could pull a 60ft disc more than 4 ft. before it catches fire from the load.

 

[PadawanWarrior]

I think so, something about "provide for the common welfare."

If he really wanted to help the common welfare of the nation he would start by stopping his war against FF. That's step #1 in helping us out of this mess.

And EV's aren't great in cold weather.

Cold Temperatures Affect an Electric Vehicle's Driving Range - Consumer Reports

Consumer Reports lets you know whether cold temperatures affect an electric vehicle’s driving range. The cold can reduce an unplugged EV’s range by about 20%.

www.consumerreports.org

 

[lusidghost]

Coal country checking in. Transition out now or become methland in the future.

 

[DoubleAtotheRON]

How long do you think an EV tractor could do this? Speaking technology, Most newer John Deere 6,7,8,and 9 series have "Green Star". It's a GPS nav system to find the most efficient way to bottom plow, seed drill a mile section of land. The operator really isn't driving the tractor... he's just sitting in there monitoring things.

 

[doublejj]

 

[DoubleAtotheRON]

Anywho.... lets get back on the OP.

 

[doublejj]

If he really wanted to help the common welfare of the nation he would start by stopping his war against FF. That's step #1 in helping us out of this mess.

And EV's aren't great in cold weather.

Cold Temperatures Affect an Electric Vehicle's Driving Range - Consumer Reports

Consumer Reports lets you know whether cold temperatures affect an electric vehicle’s driving range. The cold can reduce an unplugged EV’s range by about 20%.

www.consumerreports.org

FF's are the mess.....

 

[DoubleAtotheRON]

Love John Deere. Im on my 5th one.. not because of problems, but I like to be under the powertrain warranty, so when it gets close, I upgrade... but......

 

[doublejj]

Either way... I don't think it's right to tax hike a company that's working hard to provide supply to the American people. Alot of thier profits are made in other countries as well... they're gonna tax hike them for that? They're not even working/operating on American soil.

The oil these companies make such obscene profits from is oil that is not theirs, it's ours, they are only allowed to pump it for us. They usually pay little to nothing for our oil and pump it up and sell it to us at obscene profits and then they whine about paying a tax on our oil ffs..

 

[doublejj]

Love John Deere. Im on my 5th one.. not because of problems, but I like to be under the powertrain warranty, so when it gets close, I upgrade... but......
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yeah there will always be some excuse....however new battery tech is developed every day. I would rather pay a farmer more for dealing with the drawbacks of EV equipment than breath their diesel fumes for the next 100 years. Fossil Fuels are obsolete when there are so many other sources of cleaner energy.