cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
“can be considered alt-fact by some” lacks selection criteria, and without concrete examples is subjective. Oh well. I was hoping you had something.
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Dorian2
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Do you actually believe regular news tells the straight story on a consistant basis?
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
to get, you must give.
You shirked substantiating your both sides statement, so as far as not playing that game goes ~shrug~ here we are.
Fogdog
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Comparisons of MSNBC and Fox is like comparing the documents case against Trump with the recent finding of classified documents that Biden's aides found. It's laughable that there are people (assuming they are people) who seem to think there is a comparison to be made.
MSNBC -- skews liberal provides complex analysis and opinion pieces are fair, provides fair interpretation of the news.
Fox -- Hyper-partisan conservative (I'd say fascist but that't not on the map), unfair interpretations of the news and borderline nonsense damaging to public discourse, contains inaccurate, fabricated information.
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MSNBC -- skews liberal provides complex analysis and opinion pieces are fair, provides fair interpretation of the news.
Fox -- Hyper-partisan conservative (I'd say fascist but that't not on the map), unfair interpretations of the news and borderline nonsense damaging to public discourse, contains inaccurate, fabricated information.
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cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Does that map predate the CNN buyout?
Dorian2
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Both sides do the same thing for their particular needs and audience. How am I supposed to substantiate this position? It's a fact. One leans in more than the other is all.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
to the part with the question mark, “with concrete examples”.
PJ Diaz
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In that case, I'd argue that we have three news superorganizations: Liberal, Factual, and Conservative News organizations such as MSNBC don't belong in the "factual" category any more than FOX News does, which can be confirmed via your Media Bias Fact Check web page.
On a side note, it's interesting that you used the term fascist to describe conservatives. It's easy to pigeonhole conservatives as being fascist, due to the fact that liberals are by definition outside of the scope of fascism: "Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultra-nationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy."
So with that working definition (from Wikipedia), I have to question if the label of fascism to describe conservatives is really appropriate in this day in age. It seems to me that both party wings are equally authoritarian in their applications. Yes, I agree that conservatives are generally of an "ultra-nationalist political ideology". I disagree however that US conservatives are "characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism [sic]". Yes, Trump tried to be a dictator, but he's out in the trash like yesterday's news. Most Republicans no longer support him.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
The GOP has embraced a plainly fascist ideology. Those who did not conform (Kinzinger, Cheney) got ostracized.
PJ Diaz
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Perhaps. However I feel that if you removed a few words (far-right, ultra-nationalist, and race) from the definition of fascism, you could easily apply the label of fascism to the Democrats as well.
HGCC
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That's a well worded question pj.
This is a pretty good deeper dive on the topic, not terribly long.
Edit: I'm slow posting, was talking about post 128.
This is a pretty good deeper dive on the topic, not terribly long.
Edit: I'm slow posting, was talking about post 128.
Fogdog
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It is telling that the people who come here with "both sides bad" types of complaints also say they don't follow current events from facts based news outlets. Clear evidence of brainwashing.
Also completely lack the ability to speak directly.
Or they are paid trolls. Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I’d need to see that backed with concrete examples from the centrist (no Fox or Bitchute) written press.
Fascism is by definition the far right. The Soviets were fascists behind a fake-left veneer.
Fogdog
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Yep, 2018. They are drifting rightward but the stuff people post here from MSNBC is fairly represented in that map.
The point stands. There is no comparison. Fox "News" makes people less informed and their propaganda is a danger to our democracy.
BudmanTX
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Fox and Propaganda and i just found this little nugget....
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Media Bias has also not yet calculated the buyout into its grade.
Dorian2
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I couldn't give you a concrete example considering I'm not privy to the news editors room where the news meetings take place. In my own personal experience, they are closed door meetings. I do, however, understand how the news cycle can and does affect how certain advertisers will react with an organization. Which does affect the bottom line.
Again, do you think you're getting the full story when you read or watch the news? Particularly in your own country? I know I don't in mine. I'm positive about that.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
“I’m positive about that” on what documented basis?
Otherwise, aren’t you claiming objective value for a subjective assessment?
Fogdog
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I checked League of Women Voter's 2022 map and MSNBC hardly shifted at all. Fox is still a dangerous dumpster of propaganda too.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Did they do CNN?
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