Climate in the 21st Century

Will Humankind see the 22nd Century?

  • Not a fucking chance

    Votes: 44 28.0%
  • Maybe. if we get our act together

    Votes: 41 26.1%
  • Yes, we will survive

    Votes: 72 45.9%

  • Total voters
    157

DIY-HP-LED

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Looks like Dr. Evil is up to more no good! Vaccines, to human waste disposal and now power lines, the man is busy solving problems and spreading his wealth around, so naturally he is an enemy of the right! This guy is another Soros, crank up the slander machine, he did put those microchips in the vaccines after all ... :lol:

 

Sativied

Well-Known Member
(replying here, I posted in wrong thread)

same article for completeness sake.

Quite simply, it is better than coal for power generation and produces less carbon.
Aside from not true in every relevant scenario, it’s not that simple at all, and it paints a false dilemma. It’s not gas vs coal, it‘s fossil vs renewable, it‘s continuing to sponsor oil companies vs saving the planet. Using gas to transition to renewables is a bad idea for several very good logical reasons listed in the link I posted as well as in previous post. It’s not “better”, it’s at best less bad. We don’t have the time and luxury anymore to choose for better instead of actual solutions that do not just help to meet self-imposed theoretical intermediate milestones that will still end up not being enough.

The only reason I would favor it is as a temporary fix while we transition to renewables.
In contrast, something (using gas to transition to renewables) is not a good or even logical reason to favor that same thing. A reason it is favored is purely economical. Was. With the high gas prices and lowering prices of renewables it makes it an even worse idea than it was.



Or continue to support Shell:

Or any of the others pushing the bad idea of replacing fossil fuel with one of their other fossil fuel products.
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DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
(replying here, I posted in wrong thread)

same article for completeness sake.


Aside from not true in every relevant scenario, it’s not that simple at all, and it paints a false dilemma. It’s not gas vs coal, it‘s fossil vs renewable, it‘s continuing to sponsor oil companies vs saving the planet. Using gas to transition to renewables is a bad idea for several very good logical reasons listed in the link I posted as well as in previous post. It’s not “better”, it’s at best less bad. We don’t have the time and luxury anymore to choose for better instead of actual solutions that do not just help to meet self-imposed theoretical intermediate milestones that will still end up not being enough.


In contrast, something (using gas to transition to renewables) is not a good or even logical reason to favor that same thing. A reason it is favored is purely economical. Was. With the high gas prices and lowering prices of renewables it makes it an even worse idea than it was.



Or continue to support Shell:

Or any of the others pushing the bad idea of replacing fossil fuel with one of their other fossil fuel products.
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Show me a more pragmatic or realistic scenario, we only appear to have bad choices while we transition. We are going to be using fossilized carbon for decades to come, even in the developed world, so harm reduction is logical. Stop using coal first, then gasoline and most diesel and finally NG. It takes time for alternatives to be developed and EV batteries are rapidly getting there, we also need a green new grid built on the back of the old one. It will take decades to transition Europe to heat pumps.

It is imperative, but it must also be socially and economically acceptable or you will have a reactionary government promoting coal burning and into climate change denial. Burning fossilized carbon for energy is a bad idea, most people recognize this, but not all and even those who do will engage in denial. We need solutions that actually work and a pathway to attaining them, we need an evolution, not a revolution, even though a revolution is required.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
(replying here, I posted in wrong thread)

same article for completeness sake.


Aside from not true in every relevant scenario, it’s not that simple at all, and it paints a false dilemma. It’s not gas vs coal, it‘s fossil vs renewable, it‘s continuing to sponsor oil companies vs saving the planet. Using gas to transition to renewables is a bad idea for several very good logical reasons listed in the link I posted as well as in previous post. It’s not “better”, it’s at best less bad. We don’t have the time and luxury anymore to choose for better instead of actual solutions that do not just help to meet self-imposed theoretical intermediate milestones that will still end up not being enough.


In contrast, something (using gas to transition to renewables) is not a good or even logical reason to favor that same thing. A reason it is favored is purely economical. Was. With the high gas prices and lowering prices of renewables it makes it an even worse idea than it was.



Or continue to support Shell:

Or any of the others pushing the bad idea of replacing fossil fuel with one of their other fossil fuel products.
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One thing that throws the issue into stark relief is that we haven’t rendered war obsolete and are unlikely to do so, barring the worst case. If nobody else, the military will need large, concentrated sources of power that can be turned to 100% on, on demand. Nuclear fits the bill, and fusion is the likely successor. Unless we find something just this side of magic, like tapping vacuum energy.

Renewables are fine … for civilian applications.
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
Europe only needs to displace about 34% of their energy production to be almost completely green, as far as energy production goes. Making steel and concrete contributes a lot of carbon too, but there are carbon free ways to make steel with hydrogen. Limiting NG to power generation and industry while using it to replace coal would be a good start and way to reduce carbon output. However they have to make up about 35% of their energy production or importation first, but they have a pretty good renewables start. Energy storage will make renewables feasible and the work being done in the EV battery industry will address that and much more by driving down costs, offering a variety of alternatives, increased charge cycle life and capacity. Batteries with long lifetimes could see deployment sped up considerably, as old battery packs are transfered to new cars or repurposed for grid storage, commercially or at home.

 

DIY-HP-LED

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Salton Sea lithium deposits could help EV transition, support economically devastated area

138,190 views Jan 24, 2023
The demand for electric vehicles is surging in the U.S., sparked in part by the Biden administration’s Inflation Reduction Act and the subsidies it offers. But a looming supply shortage of lithium threatens to stall the EV transition. Stephanie Sy traveled to California's Salton Sea where lithium deposits could help meet the country’s energy needs and support an economically devastated region.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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A look at a few likely EV battery chemistries we might be seeing over the next 5 years, some are already in production and all will be improved over time.


Are These Batteries The Future Of Energy Storage?
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Are These Batteries The Future Of Energy Storage?

There’s a huge number of lithium-ion battery alternatives in the works … so many that it can be hard to keep track of them all. Let’s take a look at 5 next generation battery contenders, if they’re overhyped, and when they might end up in our smartphones, homes, or EVs. What does the future of energy storage look like for us beyond the tried-and-true lithium-ion battery?
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Town cars and commuting from the burbs to the city for now, road trips will be out for most in North America until range and charging improve. The situation will most likely be very different for range and charging in 5 years, but for now EVs will suit the needs of tens of millions of shorter range commuters who can top up from home overnight.

 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Town cars and commuting from the burbs to the city for now, road trips will be out for most in North America until range and charging improve. The situation will most likely be very different for range and charging in 5 years, but for now EVs will suit the needs of tens of millions of shorter range commuters who can top up from home overnight.

town cars?

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OldMedUser

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THIS! Why they don't build huge geothermal plants around the Yellowstone super volcano for instance and tap into all that carbon free energy at least. Start rebuilding the grid to make it immune to EMP attack.

Plenty of other places to tap into this free form of energy too.

Need to stop the oil lobby from interfering and if they had any care for the planet they would be investing in renewables themselves then they could keep their profits up without killing the planet.

:peace:
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
THIS! Why they don't build huge geothermal plants around the Yellowstone super volcano for instance and tap into all that carbon free energy at least. Start rebuilding the grid to make it immune to EMP attack.

Plenty of other places to tap into this free form of energy too.

Need to stop the oil lobby from interfering and if they had any care for the planet they would be investing in renewables themselves then they could keep their profits up without killing the planet.

:peace:
Many of this nation’s top industrialists are into renewables! Ask their fourth wives.
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
EVs are being introduced and battery prices are still high, so early adaptors tend to be more affluent, and high end EVs are the first offerings. As I said before, a small cheap EV with enough range that can be topped up from home will be the Model T of EVs. Most Americans can no longer afford a new car according to a recent article I saw, and everybody seems to be piling on the high-end EV market for now.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
EVs are being introduced and battery prices are still high, so early adaptors tend to be more affluent, and high end EVs are the first offerings. As I said before, a small cheap EV with enough range that can be topped up from home will be the Model T of EVs. Most Americans can no longer afford a new car according to a recent article I saw, and everybody seems to be piling on the high-end EV market for now.
Still, the town car was such a land yacht they discontinued it.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Still, the town car was such a land yacht they discontinued it.
I mean something other than 60 and 70s marketing terms! I mean an actual town car, used to drive around town or from the burbs into the city for work! :lol: Something you don't drive cross country in, but the idea is to top it up at night and drive to work the next day. I figure for ease of charging it at home will put some size constraints on such EVs
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
I mean something other than 60 and 70s marketing terms! I mean an actual town car, used to drive around town or from the burbs into the city for work! :lol: Something you don't drive cross country in, but the idea is to top it up at night and drive to work the next day. I figure for ease of charging it at home will put some size constraints on such EVs
must be a Canadian regional term then.
 
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