Spindle818
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Anything crossed to the Chem 91 is going to push potency up. And the og kush and triangle kush crosses are potent.
Who's breeding for potency these day's?
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conor c
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I'm aware however you trying to tell me potent s1 seeds dont exist? of course they do im not denying the importance of males i prefer regs for preservation purposes at very least but they can both be potent
Chunky Stool
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That is totally not what he said.
MannyPacs
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The fems on his site is like the white label greatest hits vol. 1 lol
keifcake
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Where in what i posted did i ever say anything about potency or selfing?
Skunk smell
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Where do you get twenty 20 seeds from?
MtRainDog
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This right here. I'd add akbb's, CGPR and Thai, since he said those were his hardest hitters, along with the TK NL5 Haze of course.
Strayfox's vintage sensi star has made me a believer. I thought paradise's claim of "The strongest indica you will ever encounter " was always b.s.... but they ain't lying. Though I'm not sure how accurate "indica" is... because oh, it's got a head kick.
conor c
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You didnt you said theres a higher likelyhood of finding potent plants in regs and on paper thats true and yes in cannabis the male side contributes more gene bases but ime i aint found many more potent plants in regs vs fems maybe i just been lucky when i have used fems who knows this has just been my experience
decrepit digits
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The original quest should have been, how do I find the most potent fem seeds? For this you must look for a breeder [no comment] that uses original clones to make fem seeds with, not fems of fems or an unknown clone, no purple fem seeds, no sativa fems, no fem seeds made outdoors, if you want consistency of expression a clone selfed, if variety of expression is desired fems made with another unrelated clone only. If a breeder is not clear on his methods I would steer clear. Do not expect that any seeds from fem plants will be an improvement upon the original seeds, not likely to happen.
keifcake
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Again, I never mentioned the word potency at all.
Not one time did i say potency or anything referencing strength of High.
there are many good points made here. However most of them are based on personal experiences, without regard to anyones else experience.
For one to assume everyone is going to have the same experience, he must also assume everyone has the same genetics.
Since no one can agree on the definition of potency, there is no way to tell which strain are in fact potent.
More importantly, one man’s head thumper, or knockout drop, can easily be another man’s meh.
Tolerance must be taken into account when discussing the potency of any strain.
For a man who has never had anything as potent as the strain that knocked you on your tas tas, his belief in something more potent will not exist until sometime else knocks him on his tas tas. even then he will compare the new strain to the first strain that done it.
Unfortunately most of the super potent strains of the golden days no longer exist. Which makes it almost it impossible to do modern comparison.
Even when giving the opportunity to sample an old love, the desired effects of the current experience, often will not match the effects of the original experience.
Disbelief often ensues, as well as questions about the legitimacy of the sample, when in fact, tolerance is more to blame.
We all know the saying, “that which doesn’t kill me, only makes me stronger”?
The price of years of thc use is a very high tolerance. Especially for plant of similar chemical backgrounds.
Because years of cannabis use, will contribute to tolerance just as much as smoking heavy psychosis inducing crosses, which is why breeding seem ineffective, reguardless of the tech, or the “strains” used to make subsequent crosses.
Alexander Shulgin’s explain the mechanics behind this theory when describing the +4, plus 4 rating on his scale.
the plus 4 rating describes a “peak psychological event as the source of mystical enlightenment. Unfortunately, Shulgin also goes to say that the peak event is a one in a life time experience regardless of the substance.
This is where I beg the difference with Shulgin, also the creator of the drug mdma, better known as estascy.
That fact that cannabis can in fact reproduce it peak, gives it a higher rating than Shulgin’s +4. The fact that millions seek out more potent cannabis, goes against Shulgin’s definition of the +4 psychedelic rating. People seem more potent cannabis because they know there is a good chance that they will get to enjoy that moment of bliss again.
Also the reason why most of us enjoy particular strains… Strains known for producing the desired effect.
However those effects will not be universal amongst users. Reiterating, one man’s 10 could easily be another man’s 5. Or quite possibly be not effective at all.
Therefore when a man mentions potency, first I look at what he is used to smoking. If he is growing it, it’s good to him… or he would be growing something else’s Just my ramblings.
For one to assume everyone is going to have the same experience, he must also assume everyone has the same genetics.
Since no one can agree on the definition of potency, there is no way to tell which strain are in fact potent.
More importantly, one man’s head thumper, or knockout drop, can easily be another man’s meh.
Tolerance must be taken into account when discussing the potency of any strain.
For a man who has never had anything as potent as the strain that knocked you on your tas tas, his belief in something more potent will not exist until sometime else knocks him on his tas tas. even then he will compare the new strain to the first strain that done it.
Unfortunately most of the super potent strains of the golden days no longer exist. Which makes it almost it impossible to do modern comparison.
Even when giving the opportunity to sample an old love, the desired effects of the current experience, often will not match the effects of the original experience.
Disbelief often ensues, as well as questions about the legitimacy of the sample, when in fact, tolerance is more to blame.
We all know the saying, “that which doesn’t kill me, only makes me stronger”?
The price of years of thc use is a very high tolerance. Especially for plant of similar chemical backgrounds.
Because years of cannabis use, will contribute to tolerance just as much as smoking heavy psychosis inducing crosses, which is why breeding seem ineffective, reguardless of the tech, or the “strains” used to make subsequent crosses.
Alexander Shulgin’s explain the mechanics behind this theory when describing the +4, plus 4 rating on his scale.
the plus 4 rating describes a “peak psychological event as the source of mystical enlightenment. Unfortunately, Shulgin also goes to say that the peak event is a one in a life time experience regardless of the substance.
This is where I beg the difference with Shulgin, also the creator of the drug mdma, better known as estascy.
That fact that cannabis can in fact reproduce it peak, gives it a higher rating than Shulgin’s +4. The fact that millions seek out more potent cannabis, goes against Shulgin’s definition of the +4 psychedelic rating. People seem more potent cannabis because they know there is a good chance that they will get to enjoy that moment of bliss again.
Also the reason why most of us enjoy particular strains… Strains known for producing the desired effect.
However those effects will not be universal amongst users. Reiterating, one man’s 10 could easily be another man’s 5. Or quite possibly be not effective at all.
Therefore when a man mentions potency, first I look at what he is used to smoking. If he is growing it, it’s good to him… or he would be growing something else’s Just my ramblings.
Unga Bunga
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So in layman's terms..."it's whatever floats your boat" .
^^^ that’s easy to say, however it isn’t as simple as that.
Because not only is it our plants that effect the level of inebriation that we achieve, so does our bodies.
That is if you stay within the parameters of Shulgin’s rating.
However Shulgin also says, “that
If a drug (or technique or
process) were ever to be discovered which
would consistently produce a plus four
experience in all human beings, it is
conceivable that it would signal the ultimate
evolution, and perhaps the end, of the
human experiment.”
Alexander Shulgin, PiHKAL,
These are the words of the renowned master chemist that’s is most recognized for his work with Phenethylamines and Tryptamines. Not only did he create mdma, also known as ecstasy, he also defined its psychedelic capabilities as well as the limitations of the drug.
As I give reference to Shulgin, I also understand that they are the findings of a chemistry who prefer synthetic substances to that of an inebriating organics such as cannabis.
Since most people only have access to cannabis that whose effects fall well below Shulgin’s +4 rating. There is always plenty of available strains to keep them interested.
The creators of a +5 rated cannabis strain, will introduce new experiences to the cannabis world. so it’s not enough just to create new crosses that exhibit the same experience of every thing else that’s available. Our body’s are used to that already, so we seek inebriation on a much higher level.
Those who are just finding their way into the world of cannabis inherited a beautiful place because there plenty to choose from. However, those who are seasoned, or life long cannabis user, often are the ones who need the higher expression of cannabis.
Spending the next 2, 5, 20, even 40 years searching for that once in a life peak experience, isn’t something that I want to do.
Just like most of you, I wan to peak, every time I pick up my favorite smoke.
And when I don’t want to peak, I don’t indulge as much.
It’s something most don’t think about when deciding to ent into the world of cannabis.
Far from a gateway drug, because it power sent many users to find something more tolerable such as synthetics. I understand, it’s nice to know that you are taking a substance that you already know will only mess your world one time, as opposed to using cannabis that’s know to peak you every time.
Tough decision.
However it is not a tough decision for someone who has spent any amount of time trying to get high, and not being able to do so.
Peace.
Because not only is it our plants that effect the level of inebriation that we achieve, so does our bodies.
That is if you stay within the parameters of Shulgin’s rating.
However Shulgin also says, “that
If a drug (or technique or
process) were ever to be discovered which
would consistently produce a plus four
experience in all human beings, it is
conceivable that it would signal the ultimate
evolution, and perhaps the end, of the
human experiment.”
Alexander Shulgin, PiHKAL,
These are the words of the renowned master chemist that’s is most recognized for his work with Phenethylamines and Tryptamines. Not only did he create mdma, also known as ecstasy, he also defined its psychedelic capabilities as well as the limitations of the drug.
As I give reference to Shulgin, I also understand that they are the findings of a chemistry who prefer synthetic substances to that of an inebriating organics such as cannabis.
Since most people only have access to cannabis that whose effects fall well below Shulgin’s +4 rating. There is always plenty of available strains to keep them interested.
The creators of a +5 rated cannabis strain, will introduce new experiences to the cannabis world. so it’s not enough just to create new crosses that exhibit the same experience of every thing else that’s available. Our body’s are used to that already, so we seek inebriation on a much higher level.
Those who are just finding their way into the world of cannabis inherited a beautiful place because there plenty to choose from. However, those who are seasoned, or life long cannabis user, often are the ones who need the higher expression of cannabis.
Spending the next 2, 5, 20, even 40 years searching for that once in a life peak experience, isn’t something that I want to do.
Just like most of you, I wan to peak, every time I pick up my favorite smoke.
And when I don’t want to peak, I don’t indulge as much.
It’s something most don’t think about when deciding to ent into the world of cannabis.
Far from a gateway drug, because it power sent many users to find something more tolerable such as synthetics. I understand, it’s nice to know that you are taking a substance that you already know will only mess your world one time, as opposed to using cannabis that’s know to peak you every time.
Tough decision.
However it is not a tough decision for someone who has spent any amount of time trying to get high, and not being able to do so.
Peace.
conor c
Well-Known Member
Have you read pikal and tikal im assuming you probably have? Great books shulgin definitely was an interesting character to say the least a smart guy for sure
conor c
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Yes true but as this thread was about potency i wrongly assumed the comment you made was related to that
tstick
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SO much of a good buzz relies on the smell and flavor....for me. I've smoked the (supposedly) "strongest" strains that the commercial market has to offer and most of them disappoint. In all honesty, someone said THC is "the" psychoactive component in marijuana so everyone who was growing commercially just ran with that singular selling point. But, after all this time, people have realized that THC is just one of the many parts to marijuana that will get you high. Getting back to strains that really do have great smell and taste is apparently more difficult than breeding strains for high THC production. That's why there are tons of high THC strains that don't really have much of a smell or taste.
There are also tons of strains that don’t produce a good high regardless how they smell or taste. Modern grow technique may produces better aesthetics, however it’s the artists, breeders that produce the finals product.
Those products are usually as good as the individual likes them.
Real heavy hitters are rare because most users are unable to enjoy the accompanying psychosis.
The move to reduce psychosis creating cannabis started a long time ago and with it the trip, the smell, and all the other goodies that remember about bud.
Also, social media is riddled with post of high thc cannabis causing permanent schizophrenia.
Refer madness happening all over again.
Drugs don’t cause paranoia, psychosis, or schizophrenia. These conditions are found in every human being once exposed to the satisfying conditions. Conditions that producing an awakening that allows for mental stimulation that produces creativity, physical responses that go beyond the 5 senses, beyond the feeling of orgasmic bliss. And beyond the fear that awakens our spirit of survival that causes us to face our demons.
Now, we are often referred to the awake generation. As we are the future of the short lived millennial generation. And we have cannabis to thank for that.
Those products are usually as good as the individual likes them.
Real heavy hitters are rare because most users are unable to enjoy the accompanying psychosis.
The move to reduce psychosis creating cannabis started a long time ago and with it the trip, the smell, and all the other goodies that remember about bud.
Also, social media is riddled with post of high thc cannabis causing permanent schizophrenia.
Refer madness happening all over again.
Drugs don’t cause paranoia, psychosis, or schizophrenia. These conditions are found in every human being once exposed to the satisfying conditions. Conditions that producing an awakening that allows for mental stimulation that produces creativity, physical responses that go beyond the 5 senses, beyond the feeling of orgasmic bliss. And beyond the fear that awakens our spirit of survival that causes us to face our demons.
Now, we are often referred to the awake generation. As we are the future of the short lived millennial generation. And we have cannabis to thank for that.