Trellis netting installation if/or Q

[curious2garden]

Get some wire fencing and suspend it from the tubing at the top. Then it can easily be raised when you realize it was too low to start with and needs to be higher saving you having to install a 2nd net like I see so many doing.

Easy-peasy DWC ScroG setup. Hanging from baling wire so as the plant grows taller the net can rise with it.

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Support from the ceiling up front and the back on hooks in the wall tho could also be suspended from the ceiling. Bamboo stakes for a quick frame. I cut the wire so stubs stuck out then used pliers to bend those around the bamboo so there were no pointy ends sticking out and the bamboo was firmly held.

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If there's an easier, quicker way to do something that saves me money I'll find it! Took me about 20 min to throw that together but a couple days thinking to come up with the plan.

If I were scrogging (I'm way too lazy), I'd use cattle panel

 

[MICHI-CAN]

Why the laughing emoji? That was an honest question. I've never not scrogged, and any time I try to add them that late into the game it becomes a nightmare of breaking stems and shifting the canopy around.

It is deserved now. My things at finish. Waited to net. Nothing to disturb.

Easy. I get your point. Net before my picture. But not until your buds start.

 

[OldMedUser]

If I were scrogging (I'm way to lazy), I'd use cattle panel

Not sure what cattle panel is. I just used what we had lying around the homestead. It used to take maybe 10 min a day to deal with my ScroGs. No weaving, tie grow tips to wire with twist tie. Once it's set up you only have to tie down any getting longer every couple of days so 2 min. Always doubled my yields at least so was well worth the little bit of effort to me.

Most of these people are just putting a screen up to keep the colas from falling over and not doing a real ScroG. For that kind of thing any type of string mesh will do the job. Setting up a fixed frame like a lot I've seen is really a waste of time and money and just tends to get in the way.

When I did the DWC ScroGs I set the tubs on wheeled dollies so I could sit on a pail and rotate the whole thing around to reach all the tips without bending over which really hoops my lower back.

No heavy lifting required.

 

[curious2garden]

Not sure what cattle panel is. I just used what we had lying around the homestead. It used to take maybe 10 min a day to deal with my ScroGs. No weaving, tie grow tips to wire with twist tie. Once it's set up you only have to tie down any getting longer every couple of days so 2 min. Always doubled my yields at least so was well worth the little bit of effort to me.

Most of these people are just putting a screen up to keep the colas from falling over and not doing a real ScroG. For that kind of thing any type of string mesh will do the job. Setting up a fixed frame like a lot I've seen is really a waste of time and money and just tends to get in the way.

When I did the DWC ScroGs I set the tubs on wheeled dollies so I could sit on a pail and rotate the whole thing around to reach all the tips without bending over which really hoops my lower back.

No heavy lifting required.

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It's about a 10 gauge metal fencing often used for livestock. It's relatively cheap too.

 

[OldMedUser]

OK then I have some of that. I prefer the sheep fencing for the bigger holes and the thinner wire it's made from I can cut with end snips and not have to get out my small bolt cutter. More flexible too and that's a plus sometimes. The end wires on the sheep fencing are heavier so need the bolt cutters for them as well.

When I want to cross one of the large holes tying down a grow tip I tie in some twist tie on a roll to bridge the gap.

A setup I did a while back with sheep fencing from the back and what seems to be similar to that cattle fencing tied in at the back for the horizontal section.



I think here they call that Elk fencing and there's miles of it running along each side of the highway through areas like Jasper Nat'l Park, Banff and places with herds of big critters you don't want running across the road. They built overpasses every so often all enclosed in wire so wildlife can get over the highway safely.

 

[MICHI-CAN]

It's about a 10 gauge metal fencing often used for livestock. It's relatively cheap too.
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And how do you cut it?

OK then I have some of that. I prefer the sheep fencing for the bigger holes and the thinner wire it's made from I can cut with end snips and not have to get out my small bolt cutter. More flexible too and that's a plus sometimes. The end wires on the sheep fencing are heavier so need the bolt cutters for them as well.

When I want to cross one of the large holes tying down a grow tip I tie in some twist tie on a roll to bridge the gap.

A setup I did a while back with sheep fencing from the back and what seems to be similar to that cattle fencing tied in at the back for the horizontal section.

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I think here they call that Elk fencing and there's miles of it running along each side of the highway through areas like Jasper Nat'l Park, Banff and places with herds of big critters you don't want running across the road. They built overpasses every so often all enclosed in wire so wildlife can get over the highway safely.

Tractor supply fence rolls were pictured. Cattle panels require more than big box side cutters.

 

[curious2garden]

OK then I have some of that. I prefer the sheep fencing for the bigger holes and the thinner wire it's made from I can cut with end snips and not have to get out my small bolt cutter. More flexible too and that's a plus sometimes. The end wires on the sheep fencing are heavier so need the bolt cutters for them as well.

When I want to cross one of the large holes tying down a grow tip I tie in some twist tie on a roll to bridge the gap.

A setup I did a while back with sheep fencing from the back and what seems to be similar to that cattle fencing tied in at the back for the horizontal section.

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I think here they call that Elk fencing and there's miles of it running along each side of the highway through areas like Jasper Nat'l Park, Banff and places with herds of big critters you don't want running across the road. They built overpasses every so often all enclosed in wire so wildlife can get over the highway safely.

LOL I knew you had to know what it was, figured it was just different naming

 

[curious2garden]

And how do you cut it?

Tractor supply fence rolls were pictured. Cattle panels require more than big box side cutters.

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https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/feedlot-panel-cattle-16-ft-l-x-50-in-h

I used 2 to arch them over my tomato beds. A hacksaw would also work for making cuts

 

[MICHI-CAN]

https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/feedlot-panel-cattle-16-ft-l-x-50-in-h

I used 2 to arch then over my tomato beds. A hacksaw would also work for making cuts

https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/feedlot-panel-cattle-16-ft-l-x-50-in-h

I used 2 to arch then over my tomato beds. A hacksaw would also work for making cuts

Okay. I have the garden fence cut and bent to 18" D x 48" H cages. Is not cattle panel. LOL.

Is it arch them or arc them over? The then is confusing me. TY. LOL.

 

[OldMedUser]

https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/feedlot-panel-cattle-16-ft-l-x-50-in-h

I used 2 to arch them over my tomato beds. A hacksaw would also work for making cuts

My small bolt cutters will snip a 3/8" bolt real easy so makes short work of the fencing. Two-handed operation tho.

Wife has an arch like that but the wire it's made from is stainless steel and about 1/4" thick. She got two pieces 50" wide and 16' ft long from the local farm supply and they are called cattle panels. Just told me they were $59 each! That woman and my money are better parted!

She actually made pretty good money on her garlic sales the last couple of years so it was really her money she was wasting. 3000 of them under the snow waiting for spring this year.

I just checked out the tractor supply link and those are the exact same thing. That first roll you called cattle fencing is just like that Elk fencing of mine. None of that stuff is cheap anymore tho. 330' roll of 4' sheep fencing is $299 so almost a buck a foot. We found lots at the dump while tossing trash. Come home with more stuff sometimes than I take there. Wood pile often has near new lumber with maybe nails in it but that takes minutes to get rid of with a good 3' nail puller. Price of lumber these days I ain't too proud to scrounge some free wood. The chicken coop is covered in recycled tin and the run all fenced in with recycled fencing. Had to buy the plastic to cover it all in for the winter tho and the heavy stuff isn't cheap either. Wife has a greenhouse at the end to grow her peppers etc in. Garlic is taking over the rest of the garden so we only had one row of peas and I love fresh peas!

 

[OldMedUser]

Okay. I have the garden fence cut and bent to 18" D x 48" H cages. Is not cattle panel. LOL.

Is it arch them or arc them over? The then is confusing me. TY. LOL.

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That's just like that elk fencing but looks to be a lighter gauge wire. That would be decent for a ScroG screen.

If you're making an arch then you would arc over the material you are using to make said arch. At least that sounds right to me.

 

[OldMedUser]

And how do you cut it?

Tractor supply fence rolls were pictured. Cattle panels require more than big box side cutters.

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I cut some of that heavy cattle panel for the wife with the bolt cutter OK. It's 4 gauge so pretty heavy but my damn side grinder is so damn noisy I'd rather snip. The big Makita one almost jumps out of my hand when I hit the trigger.

 

[MICHI-CAN]

That's just like that elk fencing but looks to be a lighter gauge wire. That would be decent for a ScroG screen.

If you're making an arch then you would arc over the material you are using to make said arch. At least that sounds right to me.

I'd actually search out a concrete company. And then find rusted old concrete reinforcement. Only as it is cheaper than cattle panels. LOL.
And my cheap "deer" fence as they call it here, will not form a trellis to work under.

 

[MICHI-CAN]

I cut some of that heavy cattle panel for the wife with the bolt cutter OK. It's 4 gauge so pretty heavy but my damn side grinder is so damn noisy I'd rather snip. The big Makita one almost jumps out of my hand when I hit the trigger.

I got everything but bolt cutters. HMMM??????
And the grinders bite hard.

 

[lusidghost]

Just use a trellis net. It's cheap, lightweight, easy to stretch out and cut. It's simple to fix if you accidently cut a string, but you can also cut it off when you harvest. I've been using the same patched up nets for years. I tried to use the thicker elastic kind, but they sagged too much and ended up sort of lying on the buds.

Multiple layers are nice because they can be used to further even out the canopy after the flip and then used to support the colas later on.

 

[MICHI-CAN]

Just use a trellis net. It's cheap, lightweight, easy to stretch out and cut. It's simple to fix if you accidently cut a string, but you can also cut it off when you harvest. I've been using the same patched up nets for years. I tried to use the thicker elastic kind, but they sagged too much and ended up sort of lying on the buds.

Multiple layers are nice because they can be used to further even out the canopy after the flip and then used to support the colas later on.

And I again suggest you take the afternoon to learn this simple but amazingly rewarding task.

 

[OldMedUser]

I got everything but bolt cutters. HMMM??????
And the grinders bite hard.
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I'll see your grinder burn and raise you a spontaneous pneumothorax. Twice!

This one was a skinny little Heimlich tube about as thick as spaghetti. Froze the skin, poked a hole between the ribs and stuck the pointy tube in no problem. Basically duct taped the Heimlich valve in place and sent me home.



This one hurt. Multiple attempts to install a 3/16" chest tube but the rib spreader jaws kept slipping. No anaesthetic at all. Shouted the hospital down. Different hospital with a local old quack googling where to make the incision ffs. Tube popped out 15 min later but the lung had re-inflated by then.



War wounds eh. The real cost of living.

 

[Laughing Grass]

Jebus!

 

[MichiganGrows44]

Don't set net until buds develop. Use between 3-5" squares. You'll understand when harvesting.

Most frugal or cheap route is 4"x4" mesh roll of garden fence. Cut to tent size and nylon zip tie to tent frame.
I tie my own. LOL.

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Leave it to a fellow michigander to knock ot outta the park

 

[DaFekHappen]

I'll see your grinder burn and raise you a spontaneous pneumothorax. Twice!

This one was a skinny little Heimlich tube about as thick as spaghetti. Froze the skin, poked a hole between the ribs and stuck the pointy tube in no problem. Basically duct taped the Heimlich valve in place and sent me home.

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This one hurt. Multiple attempts to install a 3/16" chest tube but the rib spreader jaws kept slipping. No anaesthetic at all. Shouted the hospital down. Different hospital with a local old quack googling where to make the incision ffs. Tube popped out 15 min later but the lung had re-inflated by then.

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War wounds eh. The real cost of living.

Holy shit...