Gun control is coming

Roger A. Shrubber

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There are other societies with toxic masculinity that don't have the same problem with gun homicides the US has. But those societies don't have the same gun laws we do . Every society has problems with mental health too. Passing sane regulations on gun sales, background checks and restricting the number of rounds that can be held in a cartridge isn't going to solve all of societies problems. Just saying other countries have exactly the same problems seen in the US but they have very different regulations regarding guns and they have fewer gun homicides.
i wasn't actually talking about a solution, just the contributing factors...which all stall solutions.
As long as we have legislators who are beholden to the gun industry, and to a base which worships guns, then we're not going to solve shit.
 

Drop That Sound

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Didn't Alex Jones get sued out of existence for spreading bullshit like that? Billions as I recall.
Did'nt I already tell you guys that I was calling sandy hook a complete hoax before AJ even aired anything about it. Didn't I tell you its BS that I'm not the one being sued instead of him?
 

CCGNZ

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Japan has a very competitive society but you don't see a mass shooting every day there. I don't believe that this country is exceptionally vicious in its capitalist system. But assuming you are right, pouring 350 million guns onto that fire makes things so much worse.
Hey Fogdog,I think it all is a combo of the Wlid West mentality and a deep seated distrust of Govt. and "being ready" for govt.repression of freedom,that's my take and I'm certainly not a social/historical guru by any means.Banning AR-15's and the like for civilian use would not stop mass shootings and even if it were done the existing #'s of these guns is off the charts,but it'd be a start,and from there generous buybacks could get more off the street. The tumbling and fragmentation of the bullet is atrocious for surgeons compared to wounds from a bullet that exits straight thru the body.They are simply sinister in the damage they do and are strictly made for war to cause horrific wounds and turn a 3hr.surgery into a 15hr. surgery plus all the infection potential trying to remove shards of the fragged bullet.A shot gun is better suited for hitting a home intruder,a rifle is better for hunting and a pistol for carry and personal protection,assault rifles on the other hand are simply unnecessary and if their "fun" to fire at the range too bad,that argument doesn't fly.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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I like to think that things like this are going to figuratively backfire. This might actually fuel the national discussion on gun law.

that's too bad, person to person sales are just a fucking slap in the face to any kind of permitting or record keeping efforts.
 

xtsho

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Looks like the far left in Oregon see the writing on the wall with Measure 114 and realize that it's likely not going to get past the courts. So now they're trying to do it through the State Legislature where it will likely pass and still end up stopped by the courts.

It also looks like they're trying to raise the fees as well so they can raise more money to waste on all of their failed programs that are nothing more than funneling money to the well connected. Grifters all of them.

"The bill would increase the fees to apply for a gun permit from a local police department or sheriff’s office from $65, as set out in Measure 114, to $150 and to $110 for a renewal permit."





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DIY-HP-LED

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Looks like the far left in Oregon see the writing on the wall with Measure 114 and realize that it's likely not going to get past the courts. So now they're trying to do it through the State Legislature where it will likely pass and still end up stopped by the courts.

It also looks like they're trying to raise the fees as well so they can raise more money to waste on all of their failed programs that are nothing more than funneling money to the well connected. Grifters all of them.

"The bill would increase the fees to apply for a gun permit from a local police department or sheriff’s office from $65, as set out in Measure 114, to $150 and to $110 for a renewal permit."





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Federal gun control is the only way forward and the 2nd amendment is not an issue if the laws are properly written. The federal government has the exclusive right to regulate arms, it regulates calibers and automatic weapons, and the 2nd only mentions arms in a military context, not guns, and the feds regulate grenades, rockets, bombs and artillery, all arms in existence and used when the second was written. So, the federal government can ban semi-automatic pistols along with any semi-automatic long gun, if they can ban a machine gun. They can also increase the burden, expense and liability of owning a gun constitutionally. That is why gun nuts fear federal democratic political power like the Devil fears Holy water, they know the 2nd is about as substantial as a sheet of toilet paper, even with a conservative court.
 

xtsho

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Federal gun control is the only way forward and the 2nd amendment is not an issue if the laws are properly written. The federal government has the exclusive right to regulate arms, it regulates calibers and automatic weapons, and the 2nd only mentions arms in a military context, not guns, and the feds regulate grenades, rockets, bombs and artillery, all arms in existence and used when the second was written. So, the federal government can ban semi-automatic pistols along with any semi-automatic long gun, if they can ban a machine gun. They can also increase the burden, expense and liability of owning a gun constitutionally. That is why gun nuts fear federal democratic political power like the Devil fears Holy water, they know the 2nd is about as substantial as a sheet of toilet paper, even with a conservative court.
You are correct. These state laws that they're trying to implement in Oregon are a waste of time. It has to be done at the federal level.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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Those and gun shows seem like the obvious loopholes to close.
I have personally watched someone buy over 100 handguns, ar type rifles, and shotguns at one show, then load them into a van with New York plates on it...recently, not the first time I've seen similar transactions. I have all the weapons i need, i go to look at leatherwork and novelty stuff, but they're still doing a booming business, and not one background check. Dealers still have to fill them out, but private sellers do not, and they're the ones selling out.
 

sweetisland2009

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They can also increase the burden, expense and liability of owning a gun constitutionally. That is why gun nuts fear federal democratic political power like the Devil fears Holy water, they know the 2nd is about as substantial as a sheet of toilet paper, even with a conservative court.
Why would you want to limit gun ownership to those with the financial means to navigate the liability and cost of gun ownership in your scenario?

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Are these people just gun nuts? Who is a gun nut? How do you know the “why” behind someone’s choice of gun ownership? Look at the scary rifle in the picture….are these people nuts or perfectly normal?


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DIY-HP-LED

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Why would you want to limit gun ownership to those with the financial means to navigate the liability and cost of gun ownership in your scenario?

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Are these people just gun nuts? Who is a gun nut? How do you know the “why” behind someone’s choice of gun ownership? Look at the scary rifle in the picture….are these people nuts or perfectly normal?


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It does not matter, if the majority of the country wants it, the constitution provides the means for the government to do it and I just explained some of those means.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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It does not matter, if the majority of the country wants it, the constitution provides the means for the government to do it and I just explained some of those means.
people seem to forget that it is an amendment that "guarantees" them the right to keep and bear arms.

"A constitutional amendment is a modification of the constitution of a polity, organization or other type of entity. Amendments are often interwoven into the relevant sections of an existing constitution, directly altering the text. Conversely, they can be appended to the constitution as supplemental additions (codicils), thus changing the frame of government without altering the existing text of the document"

By definition, an amendment does not guarantee permanency, once a significant segment of the population no longer support something, it can and eventually will be changed, and then that is the law, and what the constitution "guarantees" you...until enough people don't like it, again.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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people seem to forget that it is an amendment that "guarantees" them the right to keep and bear arms.

"A constitutional amendment is a modification of the constitution of a polity, organization or other type of entity. Amendments are often interwoven into the relevant sections of an existing constitution, directly altering the text. Conversely, they can be appended to the constitution as supplemental additions (codicils), thus changing the frame of government without altering the existing text of the document"

By definition, an amendment does not guarantee permanency, once a significant segment of the population no longer support something, it can and eventually will be changed, and then that is the law, and what the constitution "guarantees" you...until enough people don't like it, again.
My point is the feds can constitutionally and legally regulate guns out of existence if they wished and put in place increasing burdens, expense and liability for owning one. The second does not mention guns, it mentions military arms and those are regulated by the federal government, the first line in the 2nd explicitly stipulates it is for military purposes and sets the conditions for the rest. All you need is to elect a democratic government and you will soon find out.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
My point is the feds can constitutionally and legally regulate guns out of existence if they wished and put in place increasing burdens, expense and liability for owning one. The second does not mention guns, it mentions military arms and those are regulated by the federal government, the first line in the 2nd explicitly stipulates it is for military purposes and sets the conditions for the rest. All you need is to elect a democratic government and you will soon find out.
It mentions “arms” which includes guns as well as swords etc. No mention of military.

I’m not allowed to bear a sword. I checked.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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It mentions “arms” which includes guns as well as swords etc. No mention of military.

I’m not allowed to bear a sword. I checked.
Quote me the entire second, it was explicitly for communal defense purposes, as in militia, and that evolved into the national guard.

You are right about swords, so we will add it to the list of other forbidden arms guaranteed by the constitution yet regulated out of public existence by federal law.
 
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