Canadian Stuff

[DIY-HP-LED]

this is v common in canada people absolutely refuse to accept there are issues, and if you speak out oh no watch out
its also v common people get upset when admins and mods arent robots and have personal opinions, like we somehow cant be a mod and be a person but thats just one way people try to get nit picky

View attachment 5276801

I think that it's how much racism is distorting American politics and society while endangering democracy and basic human right of its citizens, like women, is the issue. Sure, Canada is no better or worse than America, but we don't have a political party openly dedicated to ruining the lives of natives or minorities and preaching fascism. In Canada Pierre cut a deal with first nations and they are included in the constitution, this wasn't done for humanitarian purposes, but to strip off most of Quebec's territory if they pulled the pin on Canada. However, since their inclusion in the Constitution progress has been slow, too slow for many and they switched to the NDP and are a political power to be reckoned with in some places. It's all about being a multicultural society and with first nations as part of the mix and that could mean semi provincial statues for some.

PS. Most of the kids who were in residential schools died of disease, not murder, but the abuse and taking them from their communities and families then packing them together contributed to it. Back then child mortality rates were high for everybody, but much higher for these church run Hellholes.

 

[Cannasaurus Rex]

I’m not saying Rex is,

I'm more of a 'groupist'. I dunno I suppose when people stand up and speak for others as a self appointed representative of their 'race, religion, sexual preference etc. I will tend to put that individuals hate towards the group they represent. I don't deny the past and history of our country, but when faced with 'murdering colonialist crap' statements, it gets me going. Peeps jump on the bandwagon of self-righteous hatred without the context and historical fact. Simply because something is not acceptable by todays standards gives no reason to condemn peoples ancestors, because of the color of their skin for example. Being called a bigot or racist because I LOVE the country I was born in, is offensive, but I can empathize with peoples pain. When it comes first nations and genocide, It is hard to present or represent any dissenting historical fact (or opinion) without being piled upon or ganged up on. Painting Wasps as genocidal murderers is the same as calling Canadian first nations, peaceful and environmentalist IMO. We can't change the past, and we can't return to it. At least we can have a say, here, and that is enjoyable. It's a shame we can't break bread, or share doobies, with others and get to the important reasons we all disagree upon matters, but good people keep trying no matter their bias.

 

[CunningCanuk]

PS. Most of the kids who were in residential schools died of disease, not murder, but the abuse and taking them from their communities and families then packing them together contributed to it. Back then child mortality rates were high for everybody, but much higher for these church run Hellholes.

I have a couple of problems with this. First, any child that was involuntarily ripped away from their families and communities and died, was murdered, no matter the official cause of death. Secondly, you make it sound like this happened a long time ago. It’s not ancient history and the generational trauma will have an impact for many future generations.

A small amount of research on First Nations peoples beliefs about family, society and justice and you would understand their’s is not interchangeable with our colonial system.

 

[Cannasaurus Rex]

PS. Most of the kids who were in residential schools died of disease, not murder

I tend to agree with that assumption, although (rightly so??) proof of that is too traumatising for all Canadians at this point. The press calls supposed graves anomalies, just liked wartime citizens are collateral damage. Very de-humanizing. The hard part is how do Canadians resolve this or move forward together without financial reward being the bandaid? I just dunno, all I can do is say sorry?
PS, I think we may be a bit surprised by the nationality, color, and religion of each other on this thread...gives pause, at times.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

I have a couple of problems with this. First, any child that was involuntarily ripped away from their families and communities and died, was murdered, no matter the official cause of death. Secondly, you make it sound like this happened a long time ago. It’s not ancient history and the generational trauma will have an impact for many years into the future.

A small amount of research on First Nations peoples beliefs about family, society and justice and you would understand their’s is not interchangeable with our colonial system.

I did mention that they were stolen from their families and communities and packed into conditions conducive to the spread of disease.

Too many people make it sound like all these kids were murdered in violent acts and many of the deaths we are talking about happened nearly a century ago. I'm not being an apologist, just a realist and if you want to get justice it must start with the truth. This shit never ended until the 60s but the scars remain, it was an act of genocide, let's be clear about that and fits the legal definition. It is also an ongoing social justice struggle, and the facts are bad enough without embellishment.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

I tend to agree with that assumption, although (rightly so??) proof of that is too traumatising for all Canadians at this point. The press calls supposed graves anomalies, just liked wartime citizens are collateral damage. Very de-humanizing. The hard part is how do Canadians resolve this or move forward together without financial reward being the bandaid? I just dunno, all I can do is say sorry?
PS, I think we may be a bit surprised by the nationality, color, and religion of each other on this thread...gives pause, at times.

First nations are included in the constitution and treaties (contracts) were violated, maybe tribes should become corporations? The government of Canada committed acts of theft and genocide against them and empowered religious lunatics to do so. So there is that social justice thing, individual justice cannot happen in most cases, so it will need to be collective. Lords in Britan have vast estates by hereditary rights, so maybe we can ennoble natives, the point being it appears doable.

 

[Cannasaurus Rex]

it was an act of genocide

I think more assimilation, in theory, but application yeah, from some involved.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

I think more assimilation, in theory, but application yeah, from some involved.

Look up the legal definition of genocide, it fits rather neatly.

 

[Cannasaurus Rex]

Socialism sounds good on paper, but the application in real life is exactly the opposite.

 

[Cannasaurus Rex]

Look up the legal definition of genocide

Just did, the term was first used in 1941 by a Polish dude, referring to Nazi german behaviour. Not disagreeing but we posthumously apply modern terms and definitions to the 'effects' which may not have applied during the 'cause'.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Socialism sounds good on paper, but the application in real life is exactly the opposite.

You are talking about the Marxist-Leninist form of communism, not socialism, Socialism is roads, railways, healthcare, post offices, schools and old age security. Without those you would be living in a Hellhole. Such places exist, lie Somalia or Afghanistan, but you wouldn't want to live there. All successful countries use a mix of Capitalism and socialism, either extreme does not work and libertarianism is even more unworkable than communism FFS, which is why nobody uses it, even the Taliban!

 

[CunningCanuk]

I did mention that they were stolen from their families and communities and packed into conditions conducive to the spread of disease.

Too many people make it sound like all these kids were murdered in violent acts and many of the deaths we are talking about happened nearly a century ago. I'm not being an apologist, just a realist and if you want to get justice it must start with the truth. This shit never ended until the 60s but the scars remain, it was an act of genocide, let's be clear about that and fits the legal definition. It is also an ongoing social justice struggle, and the facts are bad enough without embellishment.

Well, you have Rex agreeing with you.

A better sign you should rethink your position cannot be found.

 

[Cannasaurus Rex]

You are talking about the Marxist-Leninist form of communism, not socialism, Socialism is roads, railways, healthcare, post offices, schools and old age security. Without those you would be living in a Hellhole. Such places exist, lie Somalia or Afghanistan, but you wouldn't want to live there. All successful countries use a mix of Capitalism and socialism, either extreme does not work and libertarianism is even more unworkable than communism FFS, which is why nobody uses it, even the Taliban!

Agreed, without being labelled a hypocrite, is it acceptable to have Libertarian political views with socially responsible actions?

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Just did, the term was first used in 1941 by a Polish dude, referring to Nazi german behaviour. Not disagreeing but we posthumously apply modern terms and definitions to the 'effects' which may not have applied during the 'cause'.

OK let's just say after WW2? The definition is also now part of UN international law and evoking genocide means certain things have to happen automatically in the UN.

The same argument can be used about reparations for black people in America. IMHO they should not be paid for slavery, that was paid for in blood. There is 150 years of government sanctioned terrorism and discrimination after emancipation however, when they were made US citizens with constitutional protections. This is a legal argument, not a moral or ethical one, but the courts are where these things are ultimately settled.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

i didn't know you guys had potato salad...you don't put weird shit like grapes in it do you? i hate that...
https://www.space.com/artemis-2-moon-mission-canadian-astronaut-seat-negotiations

 

[Cannasaurus Rex]

A better sign you should rethink your position cannot be found

I agree with your comedy lol. We can hawk an opinion we don't agree with or accept opinions of our detractors. Devils advocate or centrist? Same thing IMO LOL

 

[Cannasaurus Rex]

weird shit

Ambrosia salad... like WTF

 

[Cannasaurus Rex]

April Fools day, I'm in full bloom!

 

[cannabineer]

Agreed, without being labelled a hypocrite, is it acceptable to have Libertarian political views with socially responsible actions?

that depends on how acceptable you find any actions based on mental illness. Libertarianism is based on three cardinal departures from reality. I’ve enumerated them previously.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Well, you have Rex agreeing with you.

A better sign you should rethink your position cannot be found.

I generally agree with you, but my points are more nuanced and legal, not moral and ethical, because it is the courts where these things will be decided. Including natives in the constitution changed the game in Canada and will continue to do so, natives in my end of the country are quite enterprising and have built a reputation as such, pot is dirt cheap on the res and they must be driving the provinces nuts and seem to be enjoying it.