Trump To Turn Himself In

xtsho

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Here's another opinion piece from Elie Mystal an African American Harvard graduate and contributor to the Progressive publication The Nation.

He brings up the same statute of limitation issue that Dershowitz does. I'm interested to see what names people are going to call him for pointing out legitimate legal questions as to whether the time has ran out on this case.

"Mystal is a graduate of Harvard College and Harvard Law School, a former associate at Debevoise & Plimpton, and a lifelong New York Mets fans. One of those things is not like the others. Prior to joining The Nation, Mystal was the executive editor of Above the Law. He’s a frequent guest on MSNBC"



"The first issue that Bragg has is time. Trump committed the underlying campaign finance offense in 2016, and the statute of limitations on bookkeeping fraud and campaign finance violations is five years. That brings you to 2021. The statute of limitations for tax evasion is three years. Even if you don’t start the clock on that until the story breaks in the news in 2018, that brings you, once again, to 2021. To get to 2023, Bragg appears to be arguing that the statute of limitations paused while Trump was president and living out of state. That’s… a theory, but not necessarily a good one, and certainly not one that has been tested enough to know how it’s going to hold up in the courts."

"But I want to get him, and these charges don’t feel likely to accomplish that. A federal case against Trump for tax and campaign finance fraud two years ago would have been welcome. But going at Trump with shaky jurisdictional authority, two years too late, feels doomed."

 

DIY-HP-LED

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Elie Mystal isn't a fool, but he has about a 500 batting average as far as i can see...he's been wrong about as much or more than he's been right about...I wouldn't use him as my only source of corroboration about anything.
Passion distorts his perspective, he want's Trump's ass! Donald and those like him tend to evoke strong emotions.
 

xtsho

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But there’s a third faction: people who hate everything Trump stands for — but fear that Bragg’s case is far from the strongest option when it comes to holding the former president accountable.

That camp includes some high-powered attorneys in New York City’s vaunted legal community, including litigators who fear Bragg has a weak case built on shaky grounds — and that his indictment could undermine more promising proceedings related to Trump’s attempts to overturn the 2020 election or his hoarding of classified documents at Mar-a-Lago.

“This case is a joke, frankly, and I’ve litigated against that office for 33 years,” said longtime New York criminal-defense attorney Jeffrey Lichtman, who has counted Mexican drug lord El Chapo among his many high-profile clients. “I don’t think that case is winnable.”

Some lawyers with no love for Trump still think the case is shaky. Among strong skeptics of the case is Randy Zelin, an adjunct professor at Cornell Law School who has practiced criminal defense for 32 years and worked as a prosecutor for three prior to that.

“I do not believe, based upon what we know, that the felony charge will stick,” Zelin, who’s neither a Trump fan nor supporter of his policies, tells Rolling Stone.

 

DIY-HP-LED

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Doubling down on nonsense? Legitimate legal issues is nonsense? I don't know how you run things up north but here in the States we have laws.

I just posted another article from another REAL lawyer.

As for you admiring me. Don't flatter yourself and think that I care one way or the other. You guys think you're piling on but what you're doing is standing in a row burying your head in the sand. The lack of objective thinking is astounding.


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Legal arguments are made in court, and we will agree with or at least abide the judge's call, magats will not, that is the difference. There are two criminal cases now according to reports and more pending, then there is a civil case in NY he has to show up for next week, and then there are the business and tax cases, both criminal and civil. By the time Donald gets out of the big apple he could be in a lot more state trouble than this, he plead the 5th over 450 times FFS.

I figure Bragg knows what he's doing, and Taco Joe will be Dershowitz's mouthpiece in court, so the judge will hear all about it in pretrial motions.
 

Highway61

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But there’s a third faction: people who hate everything Trump stands for — but fear that Bragg’s case is far from the strongest option when it comes to holding the former president accountable.

That camp includes some high-powered attorneys in New York City’s vaunted legal community, including litigators who fear Bragg has a weak case built on shaky grounds — and that his indictment could undermine more promising proceedings related to Trump’s attempts to overturn the 2020 election or his hoarding of classified documents at Mar-a-Lago.

“This case is a joke, frankly, and I’ve litigated against that office for 33 years,” said longtime New York criminal-defense attorney Jeffrey Lichtman, who has counted Mexican drug lord El Chapo among his many high-profile clients. “I don’t think that case is winnable.”

Some lawyers with no love for Trump still think the case is shaky. Among strong skeptics of the case is Randy Zelin, an adjunct professor at Cornell Law School who has practiced criminal defense for 32 years and worked as a prosecutor for three prior to that.

“I do not believe, based upon what we know, that the felony charge will stick,” Zelin, who’s neither a Trump fan nor supporter of his policies, tells Rolling Stone.

Seems premature to make such definitive predictions. The indictment will show what Bragg intends to prove and the reliability of commentators may improve after we know what the indictment alleges.

I would have preferred that the insurrection and fake elector cases would have gone first, though, to make it harder for the GOP to vandalize the judicial and justice systems. Trump's Stormy Daniels problems don't even land in the top ten of trump's crimes. Probably not even in the top ten on that same day.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Seems premature to make such definitive predictions. The indictment will show what Bragg intends to prove and the reliability of commentators may improve after we know what the indictment alleges.

I would have preferred that the insurrection and fake elector cases would have gone first, though, to make it harder for the GOP to vandalize the judicial and justice systems. Trump's Stormy Daniels problems don't even land in the top ten of trump's crimes. Probably not even in the top ten on that same day.
The top-secret documents and obstruction of justice will put him away before J6 gets to court. A bunch of shit could put him away before the J6 trial FFS, most people have lost count of the laws the idiot violated in plain sight FFS. This case means nothing in that larger context and is merely the aperitif. Who really gives a fuck about this speed bump on the road to justice? Its only significance is that it was the first of many indictments, made the news and is good for a few laughs, so far.
 

schuylaar

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The barrier between politics and civil behavior is being breeched, by civil war wannabes and fools who have no actual understanding of how their country works, or don't give a fuck. Domestic terrorism is being mixed with politics and threats of violence and death threats made for political purposes or as part of a hate crime are terrorist acts and need to be treated as such. Thousands of election workers and officials across America, the backbone of democracy, have quit because of domestic terrorism. So, if the democrats win, it will be on the agenda along with a few other items that should cut the republicans off at the knees, ya gotta win first though...
The Confederate flag should have been retired after the war; a big mistake..does Germany allow Hitlers flag to fly?
 
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