BudmanTX
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you got your own backyard to worry about mate, especially when it comes to your indigenous people.....so how many are they're in your govenment? just curious cause they actually own the property your on first
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cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
bolded: straw man. Did I say that?
Lucky Luke
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yep, everyone's talking about it. My indigenous sister will be voting No and ill be voting Yes.
Australians divided over ‘Voice to Parliament’ for Indigenous people
A landmark referendum backed by the government would give Indigenous people constitutional recognition and greater say on legislation and policy affecting them.www.nbcnews.com
I hate to say it but it probably won't pass. It hasn't got bipartisan party support let alone First nations combined support and to pass it needs not only the majority of Australians but also all states must be unanimous.
Very few referendums pass. As of 2023, 44 nationwide referendums have been held, only eight of which have been carried.
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Lucky Luke
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Australians govern Australia. Your getting confused. The 2022 Australian federal election resulted in a record 11 Aboriginal parliamentarians, representing 4.8% of all parliamentarians, which is higher than the Indigenous Australian population of 3.3%.
Indigenous and first nations people didn't own the land- that thinking came later with the British.
Why don't you think that Hawaiians should not govern themselves like Australians govern themselves?
Lucky Luke
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You haven't said they should or shouldn't. Do you think they should?
ttystikk
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I DO think Hawaiians should given Hawaii. Where did I ever say differently?
The Australian Press Are Embarrassing Sycophantic Empire Lackeys
Listen to a reading of this article (reading by Tim Foley):
www.caitlinjohnst.one
Got yer Australian sovereignty right here, balls in a jar on the shelf.
May have responded to the wrong post here.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
so if I haven’t said, why did you say that I did?
Also, self-government by Australians was grabbed away from them by colonists.
ttystikk
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You know we're going to drag you into any and every war in the Pacific, right? You'll get nothing but bodybags out of the deal.
I don't like it, either. I am as activist as I can be and still have a life but I fear I don't have much influence over the warmongers for profit crowd.
topcat
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I had to take that guy off ignore. Now, that's better.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Did I guess right?
Lucky Luke
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Australia is governed by Australians since federation.
So what are your thoughts on Hawaii governing itself? Of America handing governance back to the locals like the British did with Hong Kong and Australia?
topcat
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Yeah, I would have gone further, you know, the whole penal colony part, but I have plants to inspect. I'm through with him.
Lucky Luke
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I know.. As soon as trump started banging on about China and the China flu and sanctions started.. Americas got Russia and Europe busy and unstable, drifting to the right, so they can now focus on China, and hasn't Biden been bangin on about Taiwan lately- its like "one China" its suddenly a new thing, and focus Australia with more and more of a US military presence here. Aussie nuclear subs?? what a shit useless thing for us to have.
Thank God France saw sense and didn't want NATO to creep in to our part of the world. Imagine all the wars that would cause in Asia being like Europe? With Europe and America going far right NATO must to.
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Lucky Luke
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I'm glad you do. America governs itself after defeating the British. Australia governs itself by earning Federation from the British and China now governs Hong Kong because the British gave it back. It seems only fair that Hawaii governs itself, or at least has the ability to make that decision itself.
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ttystikk
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Fairness and foreign policy rarely travel in the same direction, let alone on the same boat. Just ask the indigenous people of Diego Garcia, for example. Or the poor souls who we Yanks suckered into giving us Eniwetok (spelling varies) for "testing." The list is endless, sadly.
Lucky Luke
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Eniwetok is a very sad story. America should really clean the place up much better than it has but the same could be said for Laos.
I didn't want to get into first nations people and invading and somehow going back in time which is where some people wanted to drag the convo to. That's just not possible and a bit silly.
Americans govern themselves and Americas first nations people are part of America, ditto Australia, ditto Canada and New Zealand. Hawaii doesn't govern itself and had no choice but to be part of America and have America govern them. Hawaii was for any and all purposes annexed.
But the precedence is there for Hawaii to be given a choice to either rule themselves or have a fair vote to be a part of the US. That's only fair and reasonable is it not?
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Lucky Luke
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In a few brief years, Ecuador has gone from being one of the safest countries in Latin America to having one of the highest homicide rates in the region.
www.theguardian.com
Ecuador’s descent into violence reaches new low with candidate’s assassination
Shock and horror after Fernando Villavicencio, who campaigned on tough-on-crime platform, killed in burst of gunfire in Quito
www.theguardian.com
Lucky Luke
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Wow. I never knew about this.
In the late 1990s, islanders from the Chagos Archipelago, including Diego Garcia, sued for the right to return home, and in 2000 a British court ruled that the 1971 ordinance banning them from the islands was unlawful. U.S. and British officials opposed the plan for resettlement, but in 2006 the court upheld its decision. In 2007 the British government lost its case before the Court of Appeal but announced its intention to challenge that decision in the House of Lords. The following year a majority of the panel of five Law Lords ruled against the islanders, although the government expressed regret for the original removal. In 2017 the UN General Assembly formally requested that the International Court of Justice (ICJ) review whether the decolonization of Mauritius, with regard to the separation of the Chagos Archipelago from Mauritius, had been lawfully completed and what the consequences of British rule over the Chagos Archipelago had been. The ICJ’s ruling, which came in February 2019, found that the decolonization process had been illegal and recommended that the United Kingdom return the islands to Mauritius as soon as possible. The ruling was advisory and therefore nonbinding, although it did have some influence on the international stage. There is no permanent population on Diego Garcia, although some 4,000 U.S. and British military and contract civilian personnel are stationed on the atoll.
Diego Garcia | History & Map | Britannica
Diego Garcia, coral atoll, largest and southernmost member of the Chagos Archipelago, in the central Indian Ocean. Administratively, it was a dependency of Mauritius for most of its history, but since 1965 it has been part of the British Indian Ocean Territory. Learn more about Diego Garcia here.
www.britannica.com
DIY-HP-LED
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It's what happens with liberal democracies, more people are included in the rights structure over time and the rights are expanded with access to the courts and equality under the law. Gandhi was a British trained lawyer at a time when liberal democracy was taking hold and changing the UK, his strategy worked because he was dealing with an evolving liberal democracy in the UK. It is liberal democracy that gives freedom, liberal democracy and equality, it is not perfect as it evolves, but it does evolve over time and generations and gets better.Wow. I never knew about this.
In the late 1990s, islanders from the Chagos Archipelago, including Diego Garcia, sued for the right to return home, and in 2000 a British court ruled that the 1971 ordinance banning them from the islands was unlawful. U.S. and British officials opposed the plan for resettlement, but in 2006 the court upheld its decision. In 2007 the British government lost its case before the Court of Appeal but announced its intention to challenge that decision in the House of Lords. The following year a majority of the panel of five Law Lords ruled against the islanders, although the government expressed regret for the original removal. In 2017 the UN General Assembly formally requested that the International Court of Justice (ICJ) review whether the decolonization of Mauritius, with regard to the separation of the Chagos Archipelago from Mauritius, had been lawfully completed and what the consequences of British rule over the Chagos Archipelago had been. The ICJ’s ruling, which came in February 2019, found that the decolonization process had been illegal and recommended that the United Kingdom return the islands to Mauritius as soon as possible. The ruling was advisory and therefore nonbinding, although it did have some influence on the international stage. There is no permanent population on Diego Garcia, although some 4,000 U.S. and British military and contract civilian personnel are stationed on the atoll.
Diego Garcia | History & Map | Britannica
Diego Garcia, coral atoll, largest and southernmost member of the Chagos Archipelago, in the central Indian Ocean. Administratively, it was a dependency of Mauritius for most of its history, but since 1965 it has been part of the British Indian Ocean Territory. Learn more about Diego Garcia here.
DIY-HP-LED
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Better get a boost this fall when the new ones come out in September, or risk covid and all the risks it entails. It might not give you 100% protection, but it will probably lessen the impact if you do get it. They monitor wastewater these days to measure how much covid is in a community and what strain is dominate.