ttystikk
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Congratulations on the addition to your family!
I've been careful not to brag about the cool nights.
Climate in the 21st Century
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I've been careful not to brag about the cool nights.
Mephisto666
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It seems that every year for the last decade the summers have been getting hotter and this year especially has shown dramatically where this planet is heading, and that is mass extinction.
Just think about all the methane being released now from the thawing of permafrost, plus forest fires all over the globe releasing more carbon and the slow elimination of the Amazon rainforest, the planets major air purifier.
Then we can add man's contributions, such as fossil fuel powered,..... everything?
The effects cannot be stable, because of the dynamics of the constantly changing weather patterns.
This year was the hottest summer ever recorded on this planet and it will cascade pretty much forever.
No way out of this, and don't be deceived by all the bull shit artists telling you there's still time left to fix it
No there isn't.
Pleasant dreams
Just think about all the methane being released now from the thawing of permafrost, plus forest fires all over the globe releasing more carbon and the slow elimination of the Amazon rainforest, the planets major air purifier.
Then we can add man's contributions, such as fossil fuel powered,..... everything?
The effects cannot be stable, because of the dynamics of the constantly changing weather patterns.
This year was the hottest summer ever recorded on this planet and it will cascade pretty much forever.
No way out of this, and don't be deceived by all the bull shit artists telling you there's still time left to fix it
No there isn't.
Pleasant dreams
DIY-HP-LED
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ttystikk
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Yeah, that's not weird at all...
ttystikk
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We are definitely going to feel the effects but it is not a one way street for all time.
If humanity gets their shit together and stops spewing CO2 - and especially methane - into the atmosphere, the effects can be reversed. It will take decades or centuries but it can be done.
Many native people have traditions of making decisions that take into account the effects of future generations; some native American Nations explicitly said seven generations. (And white settlers called THEM savages?!) The challenge for "modern" humankind is to bring that kind of concern for the future back into our decision-making today.
Mephisto666
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Hello friend, all it will take is one more degree in temperature
Hi friend, all it's gonna take is one more degree of temperature rise and the continuation of ice melt and a whole lot of this planet will be underwater.
The Thea
Hello my friend,
All it's gonna take is one more degree rise in temperature and a shit load of this planet will be underwater.
Just the Thewaites glacier in Antarctica alone, which is almost ready to collapse into the ocean will raise the ocean level by 7 feet, and it's going to happen, no doubt about it.
Billions of people will have to relocate if they can.
So, it seems we will not have the 7 generations that the American Indian would plan for, I think we will be fortunate if we see 3.
ttystikk
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You said the same thing 3 times?
Anyway, no, the entire planet will not drown and no, the entire planet will not suddenly become uninhabitable. The effects will be very serious and I don't want to minimize them but it's not "game over."
Also, the planet has a very long lag time between inputs and effects. This COULD be used to our advantage of we get global warming gases under control within a century; our great grandchildren would be supported the full effect of the excess carbon in the atmosphere.
In other words, fatalism is just another excuse not to do what needs to be done
Dr.Amber Trichome
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The planet ain’t going anywhere it’s the human that will be eliminated.
topcat
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Mother Earth is ridding itself of cancer.
Dr.Amber Trichome
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Right . She is going to give the planet an abortion.
injinji
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If she gets to rolling in the sand like Humpbacks cleaning the barnacles off their back, we will be in for rough ride.
DIY-HP-LED
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Not to worry us humans are as hardy as cockroaches, even if we lose our civilization!
DIY-HP-LED
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The hurricane virgins in CA should be getting some rain by now.
cannabineer
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so far, a few t-storms well E and S of meep meep country
Tomorrow it’s supposed to get real. My corner of the desert has over three inches forecast for Sunday. It all rolls off the poorly permeable desert surface, so there will likely be flooding all through the Mojave at the national news level.
Like September last year, when intense thunderstorms feeding off the humidity of the corpse of hurricane Kay washed the road out in Death Valley.
DIY-HP-LED
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Looks like another wildflower bloom soon...
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
no; here those have to be in season.
Two years ago there was a considerable August rainstorm, and immediately after, thousands of young queen harvester ants made very distinctive initial digs. Almost all died soon after.
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OldMedUser
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I believe you are overly optimistic about what is befalling our planet. Many facets of our ecology are on the brink of tipping points or have already tipped. I've lived up here in northern Alberta for the last 23 years and the climate has changed drastically. Every winter for the first 10 years the fields were under 4ft or more snow until spring and we'd have our yard under 10ft drifts most of that time. We started seeing less and less of that until last winter when the backyard had maybe 3ft drifts and the mile of farm field beside us was showing stubble and it was like that all over. We never had really hot weather until after the June rains but the last 3 years we are stewing in our own juices for most of May. Not as bad as what's been going on in the southern states but for us lovers of cool temps it's no fun at all. Best summer yet for low mosquito numbers but still enough to piss me off.
This is muskeg country and it's thawing sooner and freezing up later each year. This is causing massive release of methane which is something like 20X as destructive as CO2 tho thankfully much shorter lived in our atmosphere, Years instead of decades. We could be at carbon zero tomorrow and this will continue to accelerate for the next century at least. We need to be carbon minus to have a better chance of minimal damage but that's not happening any time soon.
Glacial melting is accelerating as is sea rise as a result. Waterworld was a crappy movie but the reality of Waterworld 2 is going to be so much crappier. Half the world's population lives in areas that will be underwater with 10ft of sea rise. Where the hell are they going to go to seek refuge?
I'm not being fatalistic here. Just realistic. I went back to school in my 30s to get a diploma in environmental chemistry and can grasp the implications of the data I follow a little better than the average person. I'm not liking what I'm seeing and know that if a lot more isn't done a lot faster we are in serious trouble a lot sooner than most people think.
Biden gets it and like me isn't worried about himself but his grandkids and theirs to follow. We'll both be gone before it gets really bad.
Mephisto666
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I can't wait to see what climate change will do to Florida and DeSantis very soon.
I wonder if that prick will say that Florida doesn't need any help from the Federal government like he's been saying for years.
They should say fine or at least take their sweet time in helping out that misbegotten place.
Just let them float away and leave the normal people alone.
That would be nice.
Lucky Luke
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Australia does not have abundant green energy. In fact we are in energy trouble.Hydrogen is difficult to store and transport, it is best used close to where it is produced. Australia has vast quantities of high-quality iron ore and has abundant solar energy in the same area too and they are close to Asian markets where demand is high. Cheap green hydrogen can be used to produce green steel or iron "sponge", emitting just water vapor as a byproduct. Sponge can be exported or melted in arc furnaces and processed to make green steel using solar power. I figure Australia could become a major producer of steel or sponge in a decade or two, plenty of solar energy and plenty of iron ore close to markets should make it happen. Northern Australia is close to the equator and is mostly desert, so space and sunlight should not be an issue.
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We do have some Hydrogen start ups here in Tassie. Green Hydrogen from a carbon negative state (How's that for a selling point?). Happening a lot sooner than you think and not close to a desert or Northern Australia. Remember the northern part of Aust has two seasons - hot or hot and wet. Neither suites solar panels which like to be cool and sunlit.
On the starting line for green hydrogen in Tasmania - Australian Manufacturing Forum
LINE Hydrogen has received development approval for Tasmania’s first green hydrogen production, storage and distribution facility. In 2022 the company executed a terms sheet with Climate Capital’s Bell Bay Solar Farm to construct up to a 5MW ground-mounted solar farm in George Town, Northern...
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ttystikk
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I don't think there's a lot of disagreement here, just a difference in time horizon.