ProPheT 216
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365 x 24 = 8760
8760 ÷ 2 = 4380
50000 ÷ 4380 = 11.415 years
That's a long time for a light
8760 ÷ 2 = 4380
50000 ÷ 4380 = 11.415 years
That's a long time for a light
My first light was a 250w hps and I had no knowledge about npk, deficiency, toxicity, vpd, tds, ppm, temp, and cal/mag, but I still had great success. But as soon as I used led it was problems after problems. If it was not for the heat I would use hps.This is true (hps to led switch) but its equally true if you were to switch from hps to leds without adapting environment.
HPS is great if you run a vented grow in cold environment with minimal climate control. But if you have any problems with either heat or getting close to your max amps then go for leds.
If you want an all around growlight: CMH.
A bit more efficient than hps (ppf/w) and less infrared; your plants will both transpire well and generally cmh plants are a little more resistant to heat stress than under hps.
Youre kinda explaining what im talking about: in order to use leds successfully you had to learn more about growing. But the argument you make kinda sounds like HPS is the preferable light if you dont want to care so much about your grow, as in making efforts. Did you get things dialed in with leds eventually?My first light was a 250w hps and I had no knowledge about npk, deficiency, toxicity, vpd, tds, ppm, temp, and cal/mag, but I still had great success. But as soon as I used led it was problems after problems. If it was not for the heat I would use hps.
Only if your objective is to prioritize heat over light output.I will tell you this when growing with led, if everything is not dialed in you will be very disappointed coming from hps. In my opinion hps is still the best indoor grow light.
The local shop has these, new, for $1,000. They also have a photobio mx 680w for about $680; has anyone heard of this brand before? Since I've never used LED I don't know about many brands, other than the big brands like Spiderfarmer, HLG, and Mars Hydro. I've heard of LED's catching fire, probably an off brand chinese produced LED, so it makes me nervous to go that route to save money.This may be a good alternative but a little over your budget for a 1k replacement (its a 1k DE replacement)
Refurbished HLG 750 Diablo
HLG 750R commercial lamps are designed for growers who want to maximize crop yields with a grow light that offers both high intensity and high efficiency. 2000 PPF output with photon efficacy of 2.88 µmol/Jhorticulturelightinggroup.com
Why this: HLG have great aftersales and pretty much the best diodes, they cooperate close with samsung. The new Diablo boards (make sure you get the new ones or consider or items) have a nice mix of diodes for their blue spectrum: 2 different photon pumps, 437 and 450nm which seems to work better at activating the flowers two photosystems. Just make sure you have enough height for them, at full power this is going to need about 2 feet. Its probably even a bit more power than you need even.
For your 600w hps: try to replace them with something with a 480w driver.
If you like a bit less watts and yield then go for a 480w light for your 4x4 , and a couple of 320 watts lights for your 600w hps.
Remember back in the days when they said growing pot is easy this was before led? Also simple is the best, why do I need to know all the tech/geek stuff.Youre kinda explaining what im talking about: in order to use leds successfully you had to learn more about growing. But the argument you make kinda sounds like HPS is the preferable light if you dont want to care so much about your grow, as in making efforts. Did you get things dialed in with leds eventually?
If not happy with leds try CMH; it allows you to run a slightly hotter environment (less infra red) which may solve your heat problems. If you get the right formfactor for the leds, strips or cobs, you can make a setup which includes both.
Most people want as simple as possible.Only if your objective is to prioritize heat over light output.
There's no distinction in complexity of use between an LED and HPS lights.Most people want as simple as possible.
Not true most people want ganja without the headache.There's no distinction in complexity of use between an LED and HPS lights.
Most people want the most efficient light to maximize their results and minimize their electrical bill.
So going off what you said with regards to canopy.. lighting a 3x6 with a 600 and 1000 seems a bit of a waste.. specifically the 1000w.
If I were going to light up 3x6s I'd be looking at two 350w LEDs .. going on what's necessary to light that area well.
But I'm wondering what weight your pulling as you are on just that 3x6 portion??
There's no distinction in complexity of use between an LED and HPS lights.
Most people want the most efficient light to maximize their results and minimize their electrical bill.
I got u bro.Remember back in the days when they said growing pot is easy this was before led? Also simple is the best, why do I need to know all the tech/geek stuff.
The only significant difference growing with HPS and LED is temperature; LEDs require higher ambient temps for optimal leaf surface temp.Not true most people want ganja without the headache.
Allowing for much more flexibility when playing with heat, distance, amount of light, and cooling variables.The only significant difference growing with HPS and LED is temperature; LEDs require higher ambient temps for optimal leaf surface temp.
It's really not a difficult concept to grasp.
To claim HPS's are simpler is nonsensical.
No, most people want better, cheaper, less watts, better quality product and yield and simple but in the sense most people dont want to understand too much what their doing, youre correct.Most people want as simple as possible.
I kinda agree cause theres a bit of transition. But in the end its really just about the basics: what temp/rh range in veg and flower, what distance between light and cannopy, how many watts per foot and how much nutes for the water i have and go. Problem is that many HPS to led converts have a problem adapting to different requirements and maybe the way to get the HPS requirements was somewhat easier (VPD never troubled our old hps grows).There's no distinction in complexity of use between an LED and HPS lights.
Most people want the most efficient light to maximize their results and minimize their electrical bill.
It's less headache when you don't need to know all the geek/tech stuff.The only significant difference growing with HPS and LED is temperature; LEDs require higher ambient temps for optimal leaf surface temp.
It's really not a difficult concept to grasp.
To claim HPS's are simpler is nonsensical.