I did it!!!! LENNONISM!!!

[mistacurious]

I figured it all out finally. This is how we are supposed to change our consciousness! Just imagine.

Imagine there's no Heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

 

[ViRedd]

Nice thoughts ... unfortuatly, the result is starvation

There was an earlier thread on this:

https://www.rollitup.org/politics/4170-why-communism-bad.html

Vi

 

[ChChoda]

Nice thoughts ... unfortuatly, the result is starvation

There was an earlier thread on this:

https://www.rollitup.org/politics/4170-why-communism-bad.html

Vi

Unless you participated in any way in the production of that little dity. The bread is still pouring in...

 

[cheeseysynapse]

V.I. Lenin........Vladimir Ilyach Ulyanov!!!!!!!!

I did not watch my buddies die face down in the muck so this strumpet, this..........



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[TheBrutalTruth]

I figured it all out finally. This is how we are supposed to change our consciousness! Just imagine.

Imagine there's no Heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

:: pukes guts out ::

Let's see, no borders, no countries, that means we get over ran by a bunch of impoverished, filthy diseased mexicans.

Then if there are no nations, there are no national governments, which means when those same improverished filthy, diseased Mexicans start stealing from the rest of us, there is going to be very little that we can do.

As far as there being nothing to kill or die for, I can only be happy that Lennon got shot. The very stupidity of the assumption that there would be nothing worth killing or dying for is stupid, in and of itself.

The fool is advocating Anarchy, and then saying that we shouldn't kill the thieves and murderers that immediately appear to take advantage of the system.

To think that this system could exist with out it being corrupted, and destroyed once people realize there are no laws, rules of behavior or societal standards that will prevent them from doing whatever they want is the height of idiocy.

Imagine... yeah, that's about as far as you want to go, putting that kind of idiocy in place would be the end of Humanity, well maybe not the end, I mean, once we were reduced back to preneolithic technologies we'd have no place to go but up again.

 

[mistacurious]

lol no wonder people end up just talking to themselves. anyone agree maybe? eh? don't be scared, the mexicans would be happy on their own land. they were before we came over and destroyed them. lol

 

[VTXDave]

V.I. Lenin........Vladimir Ilyach Ulyanov!!!!!!!!

I did not watch my buddies die face down in the muck so this strumpet, this..........

Damn...Beat me to it.

 

[VTXDave]

...don't be scared, the mexicans would be happy on their own land. they were before we came over and destroyed them. lol

Are you referring to the Europeans or the Americans?

 

[mistacurious]

well there have been many civilizations in mexico.....all of them died from people coming over, not knowing how to communicate and learn and share, so they took and stole and killed. i understand you may have lost friends and loved ones along the way.....doesn't that make you wish there was no war? war and violence and hatred and fear....DONT ALWAYS HAVE TO EXIST. maybe one day John....

 

[medicineman]

well there have been many civilizations in mexico.....all of them died from people coming over, not knowing how to communicate and learn and share, so they took and stole and killed. i understand you may have lost friends and loved ones along the way.....doesn't that make you wish there was no war? war and violence and hatred and fear....DONT ALWAYS HAVE TO EXIST. maybe one day John....

I'm sorry my friend, But John Lennon was way beyond these righties comprehension, peace and love, what a concept. Funny how all these right wing nutcases profess to be Christian but know not Christian principals.

 

[ststepen420]

agreed, its because of these christian conservative republicans that this country isnt progressing. Thank god they are out of office, now maybe we can start working on things such as stem cell research and progressing as a whole instead of regressing as a divided nation.

 

[cheeseysynapse]

agreed, its because of these christian conservative republicans that this country isnt progressing. Thank god they are out of office, now maybe we can start working on things such as stem cell research and progressing as a whole instead of regressing as a divided nation.

We already have stem cell research going on this country. I think you were referring to embryonic stem cell research. Adult stem cell research has been far more productive than embryonic stem cell research - where it is allowed to take place.

Don't take my word for it - here's a primer from PBS
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/extra/teachers/lessonplans/science/adult_stemcell.html

by the way..........define "progressive"

Democrats like to shit on programs like No Child Left Behind..........but who was one of the co-authors? None other than the "Lion" of the democratic party......Ted Kennedy.

Who lopped on the largest entitlement expansion ever? Why George W. Bush when he expanded medicare benefits.

I've heard about Ethanol for the past 10 years from environmentalists, what did G.W. do? He bought into it? What was the single biggest factor in rising food prices? Ethanol. This from the supposedly "Big Oil" men Bush & Cheney.

We have to get the money out of politics! McCain/Feingold! Not only did it NOT get any money out of politics.............it put limits on the first amendment. Notice how we didn't hear anything bad about how Obama broke fund-raising records? Who signed that into law? Our good friend G.W.

Congressional republicans wanted to stop the flood of illegal immigrants from crossing our borders.........G.W. sure put a stop to that!

We have nationalized the largest insurance company in this country, and are on the verge of nationalizing the 3 american auto companies.

What else do you want?

Oh right. Healthcare. You think it should be free. ITS A RIGHT, DAMN IT!

I wonder what the founder (Claude Gastonguay) of modern canadian health care system has to say about it's current system?
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=299282509335931



After that........I seriously wonder how much further we can "progress"

 

[TheBrutalTruth]

lol no wonder people end up just talking to themselves. anyone agree maybe? eh? don't be scared, the mexicans would be happy on their own land. they were before we came over and destroyed them. lol

Before the Spanish destroyed them?


Because, if you are saying before the United States destroyed them, you need to pry your head out of your ass.

First off, Mexico invited US Citizens to settle Texas, because there was NO ONE THERE!

Then, when those same people that they had invited to inhabit wanted to have a voice in the government that was controlling them, that same government refused to grant them that right.

So, those citizens, refusing to be governed by a distant tyranny that had its head up its ass, revolted. And WON!

After they won their initial revolt they sought to be annexed into the United States, which after some political juggling happened.

Those Mexicans, who hadn't granted Texas a voice in their government, then tried to take some of the land that was a part of Texas, after it had joined the United States.

So, to settle matters, we kicked the shit out them.

All of this, would not have happened and those stupid idiots pried their heads out of their asses (Like you should do) and gave the Texans a voice in the GOVERNMENT THAT WAS RUNNING THEM!

Go study history, you dolt.

 

[ElBarto]

While we're discussing song lyrics:

Emancipate yourself from mental slavery,
none but ourselves can free our mind.

 

[urmomis100]

I'm sorry my friend, But John Lennon was way beyond these righties comprehension, peace and love, what a concept. Funny how all these right wing nutcases profess to be Christian but know not Christian principals.

LOL, Thou Shall Not Kill. What part dont they understand?
I think if Jesus were to live today, he would be pretty pissed off at the Christians, not just the non-beleivers. Oh, and he would smoke weed.

 

[Dfunk]

With the exception of of couple individuals in this thread including the person who started it none of you especially you TBT have the slightest idea of the meaning of what John Lennon was saying. Maybe you like material girl by Madonna? How dare you speak that way about one of the most caring people in history. He had problems like all of us, but he cared that's what matters. I'm disappointed in you TBT!

 

[TheBrutalTruth]

With the exception of of couple individuals in this thread including the person who started it none of you especially you TBT have the slightest idea of the meaning of what John Lennon was saying. Maybe you like material girl by Madonna? How dare you speak that way about one of the most caring people in history. He had problems like all of us, but he cared that's what matters. I'm disappointed in you TBT!

Well if you are so sure about what he was trying to say, why don't you Enlighten us?

As far as you being disappointed in me, that's great for you.

Personally, I think a more relevant response would be to offer your own opinion instead of bashing mine.

 

[Dfunk]

Your pretty stubborn in my opinion, but I will elaborate a little about what he was saying in his song...Imagine is a song of hope, peace, & being civil. I don't know you at all, but if you needed my help I would give it without question...would you or would you leave your fellow earthling in dire straights? Do you like killing things? I would also like to congratulate you on your clever little quip - you feel good about that? I only responded to your post the way I did because you were pretty harsh in your take on what many believe to be a great song. We really shouldn't even be arguing about this...that's our egos talking...pretty much the opposite of what John Lennon was talking about.

 

[TheBrutalTruth]

Your pretty stubborn in my opinion, but I will elaborate a little about what he was saying in his song...Imagine is a song of hope, peace, & being civil. I don't know you at all, but if you needed my help I would give it without question...would you or would you leave your fellow earthling in dire straights? Do you like killing things? I would also like to congratulate you on your clever little quip - you feel good about that? I only responded to your post the way I did because you were pretty harsh in your take on what many believe to be a great song. We really shouldn't even be arguing about this...that's our egos talking...pretty much the opposite of what John Lennon was talking about.

Doesn't seem like there's an argument, dissenting opinions.

Are you know saying that I should willingly sacrifice myself for the whole, in that case the whole can go screw itself.

To ascertain that any one should sacrifice themselves for the good of others, fails in regards that it still requires a sacrifice.

Who'd have thought, it would seem that Socialism has come full circle, from crazy cult, to religion, to a religion that demands human sacrifices to its angry Gods.

As far as helping people who need help. When they have the balls to ask me directly for help, then maybe they will find that I am not nearly as self-centered as I would appear.

For them to insist that I should give it to them, or their agents, with out them asking, is the part that I have a problem with.

For them to strip away my control, over my labor, makes them no better than the system that they rail against, but even my employer is not as bad.

I profit from my work, he profits from my work, we are both happy.

The problem is that Federal Government provides nothing to me directly, and then expects me or others, to contribute even more, so they can continue to help others (mostly themselves.)

The biggest beneficiaries of the Federal Government's Largess are not the people that receive that largess, but the federal employees.

For every $80,000 taken in taxes for the entitlement programs only $16,000 actually reaches its intended recipients.

So much for helping the poor. The government is pretending to help them, but keeping most of the money.

Hell, I can't think of a business that wouldn't kill to have 80% Margins on a mass produced product.

Then, because 80% margins aren't enough, the government borrows even more than that.

Inefficient, Bloated, and CORRUPT.



As far as the ideas presented in the song, the only courses of action are either

Anarchy or
Socialism

All I can say to either one of those, is NO THANKS.

 

[Dfunk]

Those are the only courses of action you percieve in my opinion. I think the song's message was much more than that. Do you vote? Do you think government is necessary? Do you consider yourself a truly civilized being? I can see you like to put a label on things. John Lennon imagined a world where people truly cared about each other & that fairness was widespread...do you?