Organic for new growers, dont bother with bottles...

[green_machine_two9er]

But how can you say they aren't having heavy metal issues without having that weed tested? I personally don't care either way I grow both ways too, I use Gaia green, rock dust and gypsum too. I'm just laughing at the fact that people are saying this is the 'best' when really it's not. Cannabis is an accumulator, it sucks up heavy metals and stores then, so no matter what you are consuming heavy metals. Especially in certain types of rock dust and gypsum. It's a fact. The real question is how much and does it matter?
I'm not knocking 'organic growing' I'm knocking the fact that many of these growers have a 'holier than thou' perspective because they grow 'organic'. It's just kinda funny to me is all.

Carrots are for rabbits! I'll take a nice bloody piece of meat over any vegetable any day anytime, extra points if I harvested it myself..... but that's just me to each their own.

Why do you assume I don’t get my product tested. Every batch gets tested and heavy metals are always well under.

I can get the holier than thou mentality and i disagree with it. There’s no right way method. All styles have there uses and places.

even with diet, what works for me, which tonight it’s cabbage, mushroom and leeks sauted with rice and beans…. Doesn’t work for most lol I know that for sure!

 

[Jjgrow420]

Why do you assume I don’t get my product tested. Every batch gets tested and heavy metals are always well under.

I can get the holier than thou mentality and i disagree with it. There’s no right way method. All styles have there uses and places.

even with diet, what works for me, which tonight it’s cabbage, mushroom and leeks sauted with rice and beans…. Doesn’t work for most lol I know that for sure!

Do you grow commercial?
Honestly can't see someone paying to test their harvest every time. An average test for heavy metals costs around $150. That's just to test the heavy metals. Full tests cost around $850 Requires at least 2 grams, (11g for full test) and technically you'd have to run a few tests from diff buds/plants and average the total so every run you pay hundreds of dollars for testing alone? Every harvest? How is that economical?

Yes exactly that's what I'm trying to say is there is no right way/best way it's to each their own.
Your dinner sounds delicious...as a nice side to a delicious piece of meat. Lol. Jk. Diff strokes for diff folks

 

[Hollatchaboy]

But how can you say they aren't having heavy metal issues without having that weed tested? I personally don't care either way I grow both ways too, I use Gaia green, rock dust and gypsum too. I'm just laughing at the fact that people are saying this is the 'best' when really it's not. Cannabis is an accumulator, it sucks up heavy metals and stores then, so no matter what you are consuming heavy metals. Especially in certain types of rock dust and gypsum. It's a fact. The real question is how much and does it matter?
I'm not knocking 'organic growing' I'm knocking the fact that many of these growers have a 'holier than thou' perspective because they grow 'organic'. It's just kinda funny to me is all.

Carrots are for rabbits! I'll take a nice bloody piece of meat over any vegetable any day anytime, extra points if I harvested it myself..... but that's just me to each their own.

But don't we argue that they don't accumulate in the buds? Isn't that the debate on whether to flush or not?

I agree that it's not necessarily the best way, it's just a way, but it is the more natural way, and more often than not, it's the easier way.

 

[green_machine_two9er]

Do you grow commercial?
Honestly can't see someone paying to test their harvest every time. An average test for heavy metals costs around $150. That's just to test the heavy metals. Full tests cost around $850 Requires at least 2 grams, (11g for full test) and technically you'd have to run a few tests from diff buds/plants and average the total so every run you pay hundreds of dollars for testing alone? Every harvest? How is that economical?

Yes exactly that's what I'm trying to say is there is no right way/best way it's to each their own.
Your dinner sounds delicious...as a nice side to a delicious piece of meat. Lol. Jk. Diff strokes for diff folks

I’m working a class c license in Michigan right now, and full compliance test has come down a bit for sure, it’s steady around 550 or so.

but batch maximum is 50 lbs so not bad if you try to not have small harvest of any particular strain

 

[Wastei]

'organic' growing is actually a lot more complicated than a simple dtw Coco setup. For someone new, it can be daunting trying to learn what amendments to use at what time and how etc. It's a fun way to grow and learn but for someone looking to get some good weed to smoke that's never grown before I wouldn't even think about advising them to grow 'organic'. Shit can get real bad fast, and there's no quick fix with living soil. What you put in is what's in there it's not coming out. Mistakes can be flushed out in Coco and plants can resume normal functions far quicker than trying to 'fix' something in living soil.
It's only called 'organic' for lack of a better word. Look at where the actual amendments come from.... How is that organic? Yes there are ways to reduce your footprint blah blah blah but a very thin margin of people do that. Most just buy into a buzzword like 'organic' and sit back at the end of the day pat themselves on the back for being 'better than the rest'. It's just self gratification without real knowledge. It makes me wanna puke. Not many people actually look into how to truly grow organically like knf. At least I respect that 100% more than someone who buys Gaia green and thinks they are the Jesus of ganja, preaching to all of us 'peasants' to ditch the nutes and buy into their 'organic' fad.
Not to mention the op said he uses pro mix.. uhhh hello. Lol
Guess where that peat came from! How much land was dug up/eco systems disturbed and how many organisms were pillaged, how much fossil fuel was burned in the making and shipping of your promix?! Hahaha. Ya right. 'Organic'...
You buy the word not the practice.

Organic growing is only sustainable if you promote the local biome and inputs, otherwise you're just shooting in the dark since not many test native soils or the inputs they buy.

Organic inputs contain more heavy metals than any nutrient salt that's been made to be as pure as possible.

 

[Jjgrow420]

Organic growing is only sustainable if you promote the local biome and inputs, otherwise you're just shooting in the dark since not many test native soils or the inputs they buy.

Organic inputs contain more heavy metals than any nutrient salts that's been made to be as pure as possible.

Exactly

 

[Jjgrow420]

But don't we argue that they don't accumulate in the buds? Isn't that the debate on whether to flush or not?

I agree that it's not necessarily the best way, it's just a way, but it is the more natural way, and more often than not, it's the easier way.

I've never heard that they don't accumulate the buds. I can't see how that makes any sense though.

 

[GemGrows24]

Organic... the only way to grow.... cheap, healthy, medicine.... what's more important than your own health? Or your customers health? It's not about money. When you do things right the money is always plentiful. Karma is real. Do good things. Don't worry about money....

Here is my recipe...

Gaia green

All purpose and rock dust blend, veg base
Power bloom and rock dust blend, flower base.

Added Gypsum used throughout the whole grow. Could say it's part of the base but it will grow without it. Is in the base already.

Aloe vera honey boost.

Always Ph my water. Wrong ph leads to heavy metal uptake. Not healthy.

Pro mix hp. Worm shit.


Amend soil with all purpose or power bloom at 2 to 3 tablespoons per gallon. Every 3 to 4 weeks top dress with 1 tblspn per gallon. Adjust according to your enviroment..

Rock dust and gypsum I'll use about half tblspn per gallon. Top dress as needed after. If you only get one of the two products get rock dust. I would just get both.

This is enough to get you far superior product in a tent to what you find on the street or dispensary. Quit wasting your money and live longer... your friends too.. should have access to clean organic weed all the time... cleanliness is key.. don't overcrowd the tent either... is really an fairly easy thing to do...

I'm thinking about doing a similar recipe for my next run but with the brands wormcastings in replacement of the rock dust. Could I possibly add both or could that be an overload?

 

[Mikchum]

I'm thinking about doing a similar recipe for my next run but with the brands wormcastings in replacement of the rock dust. Could I possibly add both or could that be an overload?

I would use them both. Worms for the microbes that break down the food. The rock dust is for micronutrients. Rock dust is a must. The all purpose and rock dust is your base.

In flower is power bloom and rock dust as the base.

 

[Mikchum]

Take the piss out of me pros, say whatever you want doesn't bother me. Here's my sweet skunk. And no I'm no pro.
1 has been yellow since popping. Got me puzzled. Hotgg seeds sunshine.

 

[Mikchum]

I also worry about my kids going out and buying their stuff from friends who know nothing. I would rather provide them with something I know has not been sprayed or loaded with pgr. My health and my kids is priority. I take all the insights provided by these people here and heavy metals is a concern. Is why I ask for others recipes, is there a cleaner way? I know dragonfly earth makes a product someone I trust mentioned. I might look into them especially if your in the usa...

 

[GreenGenez421]

Take the piss out of me pros, say whatever you want doesn't bother me. Here's my sweet skunk. And no I'm no pro. View attachment 5446835View attachment 5446836View attachment 5446837View attachment 5446838View attachment 5446839
1 has been yellow since popping. Got me puzzled. Hotgg seeds sunshine.

I don't think you'll find one single grower in our community that calls themselves a PRO. But with that being said, I can for at least myself tout my decades of experience. There are several others that you've gotten the attention of with this thread and have participated in it so far, that also have decades under there belt.

I'm not going to rain on your parade, but I'll give you a bit of advice. .... Humble yourself, and be receptive. The worst thing you can do is to come out balls deep but only half way in. Your certainly not the canna guru you may think you are, there are others here that will shit all over you. Several of them already chimed in, but you came off so aggressively, I'd be surprised if they will offer you any insight. Be humble brother, be receptive, take criticism and heed any advise given. For whatever it's worth, I'm a organic/veganic No-Till grower. I make my own compost, leaf mold, soil formulations from scratch, microbial serums, fermented dry ammendments and liquid fertilizer. When I saw your first post, it didn't sit well with me, and I let you hang yourself. You should be here to make friends and share what you can, make our community stronger and learn.

 

[Hollatchaboy]

I've never heard that they don't accumulate the buds. I can't see how that makes any sense though.

I thought I heard nutes don't accumulate in the buds, so that's why we don't flush. My bad.

 

[Funkentelechy]

I also worry about my kids going out and buying their stuff from friends who know nothing. I would rather provide them with something I know has not been sprayed or loaded with pgr. My health and my kids is priority. I take all the insights provided by these people here and heavy metals is a concern. Is why I ask for others recipes, is there a cleaner way? I know dragonfly earth makes a product someone I trust mentioned. I might look into them especially if your in the usa...

Any amendment that is mined from the earth has the potential to be high in heavy metals. So try to source as much of your minerals and micronutrients from non mined sources, that's why earthworm castings and compost are so valuable because they are mineral rich with little to no heavy metals. Manure can be great for minerals and micronutrients, I keep quail, poultry manure is high in calcium and sulfur.
If you do need to buy things like rock dust and gypsum buy from places that list heavy metals. https://www.kisorganics.com/collections/add-trace-minerals/products/kis-organics-mineral-mix

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1149/6312/files/NEW_KiS_Mineral_Mix_Heavy_Metals.pdf?v=1683748668

I've never used that mineral mix so I'm not saying you should buy that mix just an example of a company that provides heavy metal content.

 

[Jjgrow420]

I thought I heard nutes don't accumulate in the buds, so that's why we don't flush. My bad.

Oh no. You said the bad word

 

[Jjgrow420]

I also worry about my kids going out and buying their stuff from friends who know nothing. I would rather provide them with something I know has not been sprayed or loaded with pgr. My health and my kids is priority. I take all the insights provided by these people here and heavy metals is a concern. Is why I ask for others recipes, is there a cleaner way? I know dragonfly earth makes a product someone I trust mentioned. I might look into them especially if your in the usa...

If you're that concerned then get the tests done. You can also go to the doctor and get a blood test. You'll have to tell him/her you're looking for a heavy metal report and they can tell you if your levels are acceptable or not. If they are high then I'd be looking into ALL of what you consume. Not just cannabis. I sport shoot and hunt/fish and I also reload my own ammo and pour my own lead so I have to make sure my heavy metal levels (especially lead) are acceptable at least once a year.
No issues yet, and I run those 'nasty dirty nutrients' in Coco! Go figure.

 

[Fatjoe]

This thread is hilarious... I tell ya. A good thread n a nice big Doobie make for some cheap ass entertainment..lol

I almost hate seeing ORGANICS in a thread. So many avenues to succeed with it but not many truly understand the basic knowledge of it. Like mentioned. They throw it in dirt n throw some organic labeled bullshit on them and stamp the grow organic..lmfao

It's cool man. Your gonna get tons of advice. Just take what ya need n grow ya ass off. Work your own program. Things look pretty damn good in there so far.

 

[Gemtree]

Gotta pee on your plants around here

 

[Jjgrow420]

Gotta pee on your plants around here

Just add the L in there yourself I'm too lazy

 

[Jjgrow420]

This thread is hilarious... I tell ya. A good thread n a nice big Doobie make for some cheap ass entertainment..lol

I almost hate seeing ORGANICS in a thread. So many avenues to succeed with it but not many truly understand the basic knowledge of it. Like mentioned. They throw it in dirt n throw some organic labeled bullshit on them and stamp the grow organic..lmfao

It's cool man. Your gonna get tons of advice. Just take what ya need n grow ya ass off. Work your own program. Things look pretty damn good in there so far.

I dont really know why I replied in the first place must have been in a cranky mood. FN Christmas.... I blame the sugar high from the cookies I stole from sani claws