Deep water culture only thread
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Big P
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its the heat and too much light or really too close it seems to me
put them up about 3 feet away or as high as it needs to keep them cool
also make sure u put them on 16 hours of lights on and 8 hours of darkness so they can rest from all that light and have more time for root development
if they make it they should recover within a few days
put them up about 3 feet away or as high as it needs to keep them cool
also make sure u put them on 16 hours of lights on and 8 hours of darkness so they can rest from all that light and have more time for root development
if they make it they should recover within a few days
onthedl0008
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Ur water needs to be placed at the bottom or a lil above the bottom of the pot.REason being. U want to keep the rock moist(not wet). Ive placed clones to early and have the same result's.Take ur water up to this point and u can bring clones back from the dead. Ive tried it all.
Once the roots begin growing out of the potsd and to th water thats when u back it off to force growth into the water. U can kinda make plants do whatever u want.
All that happening is ur clones are using nutrients stored in the leaves to create root growth.Check out our DWC grow club. I just got done explaining how to use a bubble cloner.
Once the roots begin growing out of the potsd and to th water thats when u back it off to force growth into the water. U can kinda make plants do whatever u want.
All that happening is ur clones are using nutrients stored in the leaves to create root growth.Check out our DWC grow club. I just got done explaining how to use a bubble cloner.
Big P
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heres my DWC tip. no need to use or mess with hydroton, all i do is shove a piece of rockwool into the net cup to fill it completley nothing else is really required and the hydroton is messy & dirty to reuse
also for those who dont already know with DWC u should never have any nute burn. heres why
if u fill up 5 gallons and nute it and your ppm meter (Parts Per Million Meter) reads 500 ppm right
then the next day u come in there and see that the plants drank 1 gallon out of the 5 gallon and you see that the ppm is still at 500 ppm. then it means the plant has drank the exact same amount of water as nutes there by your ppm stayed the same and you have dialed in the plants requested dosage for this time in its life
but if they drank 1 galllon but the ppm was like 600 it means there are too much nutes in there an the plant is trying to drink the water and leave behind the nutes hence you ppm will rise due to this after water drink
if they drink 1 gallon and your ppm is like 400 then you know u didnt have enough nutes in there and the plant is drinking more nutes out the water than and leaving behind the water
also for those who dont already know with DWC u should never have any nute burn. heres why
if u fill up 5 gallons and nute it and your ppm meter (Parts Per Million Meter) reads 500 ppm right
then the next day u come in there and see that the plants drank 1 gallon out of the 5 gallon and you see that the ppm is still at 500 ppm. then it means the plant has drank the exact same amount of water as nutes there by your ppm stayed the same and you have dialed in the plants requested dosage for this time in its life
but if they drank 1 galllon but the ppm was like 600 it means there are too much nutes in there an the plant is trying to drink the water and leave behind the nutes hence you ppm will rise due to this after water drink
if they drink 1 gallon and your ppm is like 400 then you know u didnt have enough nutes in there and the plant is drinking more nutes out the water than and leaving behind the water
Jgoasnhja
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I appriciate all the info so far but i forgot to mention something. When I fist stuck them in the system I put the water level all the way up into the hydroton, so my Rapid Rooter cube got soaked with water. The level was probably an 1" above the bottom of the net pots. Then they got really droopy. I asked some questions on here n ppl said the levels were too high. I now have the levels so they r right below the net pots, allmost touching. In the meantiime of all this goin on I was Lowering the lights every day to c how close i needed to put them. This is when it got really bad. I think i put the lights to close and I backed the water levels off so everything dried up really bad. Now I think the problem went to not enough water. lol. So now today I did back the lights off to about 3ft just like you said and kept water levels right below pots. If the cubes dry out to much i just water then with a spray bottle. untill the roots r long enough. I really hope they come thru!!
Jgoasnhja
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Also I have kept room temps at 75-80 F at all times
I check PH everyday and adjust if needed
I use GH 3 part Flora series and only use 1ml per gal which the bottle said to use 1.5ml for cuttings and seedlings. I used less just to be safe.
So I hope since I backed off on the lights and they r not flooded or super dry anymore that they might start pullin thru.
I duno what u guys think, they will pull thru?
Those pics were from today
I check PH everyday and adjust if needed
I use GH 3 part Flora series and only use 1ml per gal which the bottle said to use 1.5ml for cuttings and seedlings. I used less just to be safe.
So I hope since I backed off on the lights and they r not flooded or super dry anymore that they might start pullin thru.
I duno what u guys think, they will pull thru?
Those pics were from today
TOKEMASTERFLEX
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Maybe u need more air in your water
Big P
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i use the gh nutes too, but be carful your not supposed to use full strength as the directions says you shouldnt use more than half stregth at the most until u can read how much the plant needs with the ppm meter
some peeps even go as far as to say to only nute 1/4 of what the directions say to be safe
your plants will also get lighter green when they start gettin too hungry and need more food so that can work as a barometer
Jgoasnhja
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Well Tokemaster Im gonna try to not make this sound like your wrong and im right because I very well could be wrong. lol.....
If there was one thing that I think I could have done right, it would be pumpin in enough air. I got 2 air stones per bucket and I got a 45lpm commercial air pump for 3 buckets and a 300 gallon air pump for 3 buckets.
I used conversoin tabels because lpm is more than gallons but anyways they allmost come out to be about the same sixe air pumps. My 45lpm is just a very tiny bit bigger.
But from all the reading I have done and asking ppl on RIU, the amount of air I got was way more than enough.
Jgoasnhja
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For the nutes I used less than 1/4 strength of nutes. Allmost half the strength of a 1/4. Also when I need to refill for levels I just use plain water. I figure its much easier to add nutes than to try to take them out.
Also I think its much easier of a fix to have a slight nut defincancy than to fry the plants, but these r just my thoughts and I could be wrong
TOKEMASTERFLEX
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if it is a commercial air pump then you should have enough air...this is the one i use
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Jgoasnhja
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Well guys I was thinking about the issue with my plants. Like I said at first I drowned the plants rapid rooter so the roots werent gettin no oxygen, this caused them to become very droopy. While this was happening I was lowering the lights a lil bit everyday because I didnt know how close to put them. Then the plants leaves started to burn because the lights were so close. By the time they started to burn I had corrected the water level issue and My rapid rooters are stayin perfect now, not soakin wet and not crunchy dry but just moist enough to not dry out.
I also finally got a measure tape to c how close the lights were. lol
way to close, I had them just under 2 feet away from the plants and this was after I had raised them twice....I know.. wow!!
I fixed that issue today and put the light a lil over 3 feet away from tops of plants.
My question is ever since I corrected the water level I have been waiting for them to perk up, but they wern't. Do you think thats because I was burning the leaves with the lights after the water level issue and that was taking away all thier energy to try to heal the droopyness factor? I figured that they were probably trying to heal thier burnt leaves and thats y they werent perkin up yet.
I also finally got a measure tape to c how close the lights were. lol
way to close, I had them just under 2 feet away from the plants and this was after I had raised them twice....I know.. wow!!
I fixed that issue today and put the light a lil over 3 feet away from tops of plants.
My question is ever since I corrected the water level I have been waiting for them to perk up, but they wern't. Do you think thats because I was burning the leaves with the lights after the water level issue and that was taking away all thier energy to try to heal the droopyness factor? I figured that they were probably trying to heal thier burnt leaves and thats y they werent perkin up yet.
Big P
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if they are gonna live they should perk up in anywhere from 2 days to 7 days
they should recover unless all the leaves are damaged.
later on you can have the lights closer once they are bigger so dont always keep them far cuz every 12" away u put the lights you lose 25% of thier Lumen power
I have 600 watters and once my plants are bigger i put the light about 10" away from the tops. depending on how i want the light to spread
they should recover unless all the leaves are damaged.
later on you can have the lights closer once they are bigger so dont always keep them far cuz every 12" away u put the lights you lose 25% of thier Lumen power
I have 600 watters and once my plants are bigger i put the light about 10" away from the tops. depending on how i want the light to spread
Jgoasnhja
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Yup tokemaster thats the exact same brand of the one I got and it it looks exact same and yes it is a commercial air pump.
How many lierters per minute is yours?
mine is 45 and I only use that for 3 buckets. I have another pump that was rated for 300 gallon aquariums that I got from petsmart. It was thier biggest pump they had, I use that for my other 3 buckets
Jgoasnhja
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Thanks Big P, ya I didnt plan on keepin them that far away all the time. Ya with every foot u loose 25% I have even heard u loose half so Im gonna try to get them closer as soon as possible, its just I think they are way too young right now and it was just too much heat for them. Thanks for the help with everything. Ya not all the leaves were affected, it mostly was just the tips of most leaves and the very top nodes didnt even get touched, so I am hopin they come thru here!
gardenman
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TOKEMASTERFLEX
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you should be fine on air then....It was most likely from haveing the water being too deep before.....only thing i can think of
Jgoasnhja
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wow n8wi I have been lookin for someone else to hear of the elephant bud plants from BCSeeds.com
I have been wanting to by from them for a while now but kinda got a lil curious when I started seein strains like upstate and elephant bud.
So you actually know he got them and if they r some big ass plants?
cause there like 495.00 for 10
Hi everyone I just recently started growing in my closet. I am not sure what a DWC is? But I am doing a Hydro set up. I have a pump in a reservoir pumping the water in the tub. I am using a 1000w HPS, which I now believe that it might be too much. Can I put a 600w HPS bulb into a 1000w HPS ballast? I have two exit fans and i ran the apartment vent into the closet. I believe I have all the nutrients I need, but still not quite sure. I have the liquid Ph test kit and some Ph up/down. I think I still need a pmp, TSD, and EC tester (not sure if I need all or what they do). Do I need all of them? I was wondering what is everyone talking about using bubbles? I saw someone's reservoir bubbling, how do I do that and what does it do? Also what is the air stone and where do I put them?
Thank You,
M Dawg
Thank You,
M Dawg