LED/T5 Veg, 400W HPS Flower SCOG Cabinet

[lilmafia513]

Yea,

Good eye. Actually they are oven liners. This last thanksgiving I saw one in the bottom of the oven and thought it would be perfect to use as a reflector. I also use the same kind of baking thingy we put the turkey in for a clone unit.

I always got growing on the brain, lol

I went to wallmart I think it was and got them.
They came in a package of two for like $5. Now I see most grocery stores carry them too. Cool thing is they are extremely light weight and if the plant pushes on them they will rise up. Well thats what I think will happen we will see.

I think whats going to happen on this grow is those plants on the sides will grow into the liners (reflector) and then move towards the light. lifting the liners a bit.

If I am wrong, I can just raise them. I got about five inches on the ends.
I always thought buds needed light on every side. Thats why people rotated plants in there grow.
Well after doing this a few times I realised that buds do not need light all around them to grow fat. One of the biggest buds last grow just received light from one side.

We are all constantly learning Thats one of the things that makes this so much fun. Well that and seeing the results at harvest time.

I know what you mean about asking questions when the info is in the journal. Its like READ IT MAN. But I dont care right now, I got plenty of time on my hands for about one more week. Then it's back to work.
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Great idea, never would of thought of it. ...Idea!!!!

I think i'll make something up for my other light, let ya' know when i do!! Thanks man!

 

[cruzer101]

Day 11 of flower,

I was trying to get a shot before the light came on.

It went on just as I opened the doors. Still got a good shot. Now you can see the stretching better.
I would have cleared the bottom growth already but I didnt want them to go even farther.
That will all be gone this weekend. That will be two weeks into flower.

Looks like I got it full this time... I could just see all those long stems just producd a tiny bud on top.
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[cruzer101]

Ok, we are day 18 of flower so I guess they are done with there run.
here is a shot from day 14 flower, I was sweating.

I had to raise the reflectors I made to the top. But I think we will be alright.

Humidity has been extreemly high at some point when lights are off. I haven't had this much follige in
here before so I am looking into a dehumidifer.
I see one on ebay mini one that will work. I am going to try turning down the thermostate to like 65d and
see if by running the fans pretty much all the time will drop it some. If not, well, Another toy.

In previous grows when the water dropped the ppms went up. Now they are staying the same
and I added nutes again when I topped off the res. I want to keep them around 600ppm. 5.5 ph

Here are some closer shots, you can see they are flowering.

Forgot the kids, gotta have backup ya know.

Here is a better idea of average size.

The ten in the first two rows are part of a hydro nutrient challenge. They are Earls Stinky Widow.
The last row are clones from current grow.

You can follow that grow from seed to finish here if you want.
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/145919-hydro-nutrient-challenge-cruzer.html
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[lilmafia513]

looking good cruzer.
Followed the clone method you gave here, and got roots in 8 days! One only, but we'll see what happens with the rest now!
Keep up the good grow!

 

[cruzer101]

looking good cruzer.
Followed the clone method you gave here, and got roots in 8 days! One only, but we'll see what happens with the rest now!
Keep up the good grow!

Good news man.

I tell ya what. If you got one you will get more.
What works for me is after a week I gently, GENTLY tug on the clone. If there is any resistance at all then I know they rooted.
When using rockwool instead of rapid rooters to start them just after a few days I move the little stalks left and right with my finger and can tell. Rooters grip a little more.

Obviously if there is no resistance you will lift the clone out of the hole.
No big deal, I have actually removed a clone, scraped it and dipped into the cloning gell again and it rooted.

Thanks for dropping by.
Keep us updated OK?
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[lilmafia513]

Good news man.

I tell ya what. If you got one you will get more.
What works for me is after a week I gently, GENTLY tug on the clone. If there is any resistance at all then I know they rooted.
When using rockwool instead of rapid rooters to start them just after a few days I move the little stalks left and right with my finger and can tell. Rooters grip a little more.

Obviously if there is no resistance you will lift the clone out of the hole.
No big deal, I have actually removed a clone, scraped it and dipped into the cloning gell again and it rooted.

Thanks for dropping by.
Keep us updated OK?
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Wow, thats good to know! Just in case some don't take as fast. One took off and now it's going full speed with growing. Took 10 PPP's the same way a day or so ago, i'll keep in touch.
Thanks...lilmaf

 

[cruzer101]

Check it out, two days later.

We get a lot of root porn. Here's some young female porn

Apollo

Apollo

This is the Widow.

Cute, Isn't she?
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[JeSt3r]

subscribed...awesome cabinet man...kinda jealous right now lol.....cant wait to see ur results for this pass

 

[pythiq]

Inspiring cab! Excellent journal, too, read all 13 pages. Waiting to see the bounty from this time around

 

[cruzer101]

Hey guys.

Thanks, As you can see this is my third try. I think this batch is gonna be the biggest yet. I think I have fit as much foliage as I possibly can in this thing. Thank god for twist ties.

With the addition of the heat mat under them to stable the root temp and the larger boxes with more room for them to grow, they have done real well.

Not to mention the three point watering system where I hit three sides of the cube and leave the last side dry. I know that's better then the one drip. The stalks are about twice as thick as last grow.

I think whats going to make a real big difference is I haven't seen any spider mites. Those little suckers suck the life out of the plant and you don't even know it till it is real bad. Although I bleached out the cab between flowering I think the real reason is the weather. Its to cold for them right now.

Well, we will see.
My guess at this point would be 4oz dried and cured.

Oh and by the way,
Welcome to rollitup!

This is a great site.
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[loh-pan]

Your cabinet is inspiring.
I have a question about the pressure in the watering system. Is there aquarium sealant or some kind of cocking to glue the pipes together? The pump just pushes solution through the emitters without pressure problems or a return line to the reservoir?

kiss-ass

 

[420 4 fun]

Hey guys.

Thanks, As you can see this is my third try. I think this batch is gonna be the biggest yet. I think I have fit as much foliage as I possibly can in this thing. Thank god for twist ties.

With the addition of the heat mat under them to stable the root temp and the larger boxes with more room for them to grow, they have done real well.

Not to mention the three point watering system where I hit three sides of the cube and leave the last side dry. I know that's better then the one drip. The stalks are about twice as thick as last grow.

I think whats going to make a real big difference is I haven't seen any spider mites. Those little suckers suck the life out of the plant and you don't even know it till it is real bad. Although I bleached out the cab between flowering I think the real reason is the weather. Its to cold for them right now.

Well, we will see.
My guess at this point would be 4oz dried and cured.

Oh and by the way,
Welcome to rollitup!

This is a great site.
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hi, i havent visited riu for a while, im catching up.....

looks great cruzer, WOW

got fingers x for ya

for those pesty mites, flip up some big fan leaves every day, look under them for little white eggs, you can see them with the naked eye. This will give you an idea if you are starting to be infested or worse.

your babies look great, nice and healthy and stout.

id recommend fully dipping them into a miticide solution while they are still in the rw cubes and easy to immerse upside down, i always did this once during the veg and then again before i put into the flower system or bigger pots, depending on what type of system they were in.

then its only neem oil mistings from thereon.

question,
do you think there may be too much foliage?

I see the screen but it looks like they grew right through it.

Are they all fighting for light?

sometimes when there is too much foliage, the buds wont get as huge and solid as they would normally if there were less tops, it sorta creates a canopy that the light cant get through and you end up with alotta peach fuzz buds which add HOURS of trimming time at the end, and less yield in total.

Just an observation from what I can see in the pics.

I have done 4x8 tables with 1800 hps and i waited too long, they grew too big, and yield was less than the previous one.

nice show, i cant wait to see more pics!!

 

[cruzer101]

Your cabinet is inspiring.
I have a question about the pressure in the watering system. Is there aquarium sealant or some kind of cocking to glue the pipes together? The pump just pushes solution through the emitters without pressure problems or a return line to the reservoir?

kiss-ass

Hi Loh, Hum that sounded funny to me, you probably heard it a million times.

I wondered how much presure I would need to go up a good three feet and still have enough to get water to all the nossels so I took a tub of water and put a 150gph in it and raised the hose four feet and that was about it no more water. I think thats what they call the head height. So I tried it with a 350 and I shot water in the air another foot. (if that didn't work I had a 600gph)

So I took that pump attached the runner 1/2 hose ran it up to the barbed fitting and just slid it over it. The pvc is held together with pvc cement. The fittings I got at local garden supply. standard drip system stuff. I drilled a hole and screwed the fitting in the pvc. it leaks a little but it is in the box. The center is set to drip and the ones on the side stream water to the center of the box. Three point watering system.

The plants are sitting in 30" flower box's there is two of them that I drilled holes in the bottom of for drainage, one behind the other. They are sitting on a metal rack I found in the rubber maid shelf section and cut for this tray.

The tray I made out of a underbed storage container that I cut the bottom out of and drilled a hole and installed a 1 1/2" round bathroom sink drain.

So I run the water from the res through the pump up through 1/2" rubber line inside the 1 1/2 drain pipe up to the pvc. then through the drip fittings. I can adjust the amount of water on each one from a drip to shooting across the box.

The water drains through the flower box onto the tray and down to the res. The drain is not long enough so I got a couple extensions. That why you dont see a feed line. Its inside the drain. The last extention is not attached and I slide it over the pipe thred the 1/2 line through let it drop and set it on top of the pump. No sound. Works great. Cant hear a thing when it runs.

But the amount of presure realy is not that much.

I am always comming up with new ideas, Thing is I am working with a small res. 5 gallon max. I need two and not much space in the bottom of the cabinet. Once I get a new/smaler ballast I will be able to go larger.​

 

[cruzer101]

question,
do you think there may be too much foliage?

I see the screen but it looks like they grew right through it.

Are they all fighting for light?

sometimes when there is too much foliage, the buds wont get as huge and solid as they would normally if there were less tops, it sorta creates a canopy that the light cant get through and you end up with alotta peach fuzz buds which add HOURS of trimming time at the end, and less yield in total.

Just an observation from what I can see in the pics.

I have done 4x8 tables with 1800 hps and i waited too long, they grew too big, and yield was less than the previous one.

nice show, i cant wait to see more pics!!

Hey 420

Yea, I was thinking the same thing. I added an extra fan that pointed up though the canopy to help keep things dry. Seems to be working. I have seen dehumidifiers on eBay but from what I understand they don't work under 80 degrees and it is winter here. My highs are in the 70s

Big suckers this time eh? I decided to let them get larger and use some of that space in the back and I may have went to far but I don't think so. I bend the tall ones over to a place that's vacant and cut off selective leaf that's blocking light. I am seeing buds growing up the stalk instead of by themselves so I agree there is not as much light as before but more mass.

Thing is I recall the height not changing much after stretching. The buds grow four or five inches and that's it.
Well, if thats the case Im ok.

I did make a dip solution for these girls and dunk them before they went up. They are doing better then ever. Thanks for the info. It is also winter and I don't think The little suckers will invade me but it is good to be prepared.

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[cruzer101]

Well It looks like we are half way home with this batch. Oh something I think I figured out but not sure.
Fox Farm has a hydro Grow Big in blue container and regular Grow Big in green right? Well the NPK is different for hydro.

Well obviously I am doing hydro here but I got the green stuff. So I compared them and saw what I was missing.
I took the same amount of left over GH grow and mixed them together with green Grow Big and got the hydro version of Fox Farm Grow Big. Sure it is shy in potassium but it is close.

Anyway, keeping PPMs at about 700 now. Plants look great except the ones that get too close to the light.

Sure got that bush action going on this time. I been cutting some leaf out


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[notyourkind]

Cruzer, thank you for the efficiently informative post - it is exactly what I was looking for on SCROG. All our journals should be this nice and neat.
Very Informative - thanks again.

Best,
NYK

 

[lilmafia513]

looks like you got more side foilage this time. How that working for ya'?
Notice a big difference?

 

[Shrike]

Subscribing...great info here...thanks!

 

[cruzer101]

looks like you got more side foilage this time. How that working for ya'?
Notice a big difference?

Not quite sure yet.
There is much more foliage and more buds but that also blocks the light and that means small buds on the outside.

I found out one thing. Plants do not like too many lumens. I added a second fan to the light so the glass was cool to the touch and it wouldnt burn the leaf but still the leaf dies when it is too close. interesting.

Now that they have grown I keep tieing them back and arranging them like a bouquet of flowers. Normally at this time I would be done with that.

I think I let them go just a little to long this time. I vegged for an extra week after I put them up there. Next grow I will weave them all into the screen for at least five inches then attach them with the wire.

No way could I have done this in the summer. The cooler temps have helped out a lot.

We will see but my guess is this harvest will be the biggest yet.
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[cruzer101]

Subscribing...great info here...thanks!

Welcome Shrike